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 I've already said it's highly unlikely Bush said what he is reported to have said, its abit to sudden and naive of Bush to assume he could say that and it not be publicised. But I havent seen him deny it personally either, perhaps he will if asked in a future press conference or whatever if asked.

 However there is some things that lead us to believe that his faith is playing to big a role in his presidency, just a few things he's said have sounded abit odd, he is obviously a deeply religious man which is not necessarily a bad thing if that faith isnt influencing his decisions. But it may well be doing so.

 Which I think would be wrong.

 

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I am sure faith plays a huge part in his presidency.  It played a huge part in getting him elected too.  There was a poll out a while back asking whether people would rather have an athiest, a black, or a women as a president.  Less than 5% said they would prefere an athiest, meaning people WANT the president to have some faith in a religion.
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Yes and thats why we have the same foreign policy and distrust of intellectualism as Al Quaeda.
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 Being deeply religious may be the publics preferance, but it doesnt make much difference  if an athiest was in charge would America collapse just because of that? no of course not.

 There's more important issues to whether or not the President is a Christian or not, ability over colour, gender or background for me.

  Lets face it has Bushs time in office been a success? not at all, not one bit IMO, load of good his being close to god has done for him and his country.



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Bah, this is just the media, especially idiots like Wolf Blitzer and the al-Jazeera sister networks, trying to make a non-story into a story. They are mad that their silly little "Bush's military service" fiasco didn't bring about another Watergate that they could pat each other on the back about. Aren't Bush's slumping poll numbers and the fact that he has alienated most Americans, including his genuine Conservative base, enough for those jackals?
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 Apparently not Emperor, besides you know what the media is like once they see weakness, jackels is right, go straight in for the kill rather than wait for their victim to expire naturally.

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Originally posted by Heraclius Heraclius wrote:

 Apparently not Emperor, besides you know what the media is like once they see weakness, jackels is right, go straight in for the kill rather than wait for their victim to expire naturally.

Apparently not, what, that it wasn't enough? 

Yes, and as jackals they nip at the legs of a bigger animal until it stumbles and falls and then they go in for the kill.



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 "Aren't Bush's slumping poll numbers and the fact that he has alienated most Americans, including his genuine Conservative base, enough for those jackals?"

 Apparently it'd seem it isnt enough for them, thats what I meant.

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Originally posted by Heraclius Heraclius wrote:

 "Aren't Bush's slumping poll numbers and the fact that he has alienated most Americans, including his genuine Conservative base, enough for those jackals?"

 Apparently it'd seem it isnt enough for them, thats what I meant.

Haha!  I edited my post right as you replied because I figured out what you meant!

Yeah, nothing will ever satiate the ravenousness of those media ghouls!

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 Good old edit  

 I can't say I much pity Bush though, I don't think his presidency has been much of a success at all, i'm sure however Americans like yourself will be able to comment better than I. However as you pointed out his slumping popularity is a major indicator that the public believe he is failing them, from this Brits view he's been failing a long long time I'm abit confused why it's taken so long for his popularity to slump so low.

 

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Originally posted by Heraclius Heraclius wrote:

 Good old edit  

 I can't say I much pity Bush though, I don't think his presidency has been much of a success at all, i'm sure however Americans like yourself will be able to comment better than I. However as you pointed out his slumping popularity is a major indicator that the public believe he is failing them, from this Brits view he's been failing a long long time I'm abit confused why it's taken so long for his popularity to slump so low.

I am not sure; I guess we were all fooled by the President himself or by his team of advisors.  I am not a Republican (I think the Republicans in Congress are a bunch of wimps and are way too centrist or even liberal in their views), but I am an independent right-wing Conservative.  Looking back I definitely still would not have voted for Kerry, he was a big whiner and way too much of a socialist for my liking.  Even though I wanted to think Bush would eventually wake up and listen to his Conservative base, I wondered all along if he would just continue being complacent and leaning to the left in his second term.  And that is exactly what has happened, in my opinion.  

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Well, it seems to me that he very likely didn't say what is stated in the article.
I chose God in the poll question.
Why? Because God is a metaphoric character that doesn't exist and from what, many menand women have gotten a reason to kill, rape, terrorize and worse. The metaphor God, has also the fault of giving some weird men a thought to write a book containing the ideas of a son of a carpenter who found followers among poor dolts of that era. The followers of this man wrote down what they remembered after many years of common hard life and senility and most likely added some parts when the mind went blank at some period. This book is controversial and it is utterly impossible to live by it, and that is why a hundred followers see the teaching of it a hundred different way and see the other worth killing for, non-believers as inferior and so on.
All in all, the metaphor God, is a fictious character of whose teachings(which are totally unknown to man, because a half starving son of a Charpenter felt like expressing his mind, and that has nothing to do with a divine being sending his message) to live by is impossible, and therefore saying that, "i live by the path of God/Chrisitianity" is completely hypocritical and come from a person who doesn't take the art of logical thinking seriously.

Damn i love the right of free speech!

I just listened to Slayers 2001. album "God hates us all", so maybe i am not a hundred percent friendly towards Chrisitianity at the moment, but am i ever?


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 Christians are gonna lurve you ^^^ I agree with you to an extent, but perhaps i'm slightly more sensitive in how I say it.
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They have to love everything equally, or so they say. They often forget their obligations.
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Originally posted by Kalevipoeg Kalevipoeg wrote:

Well, it seems to me that he very likely didn't say what is stated in the article.
I chose God in the poll question.
Why? Because God is a metaphoric character that doesn't exist and from what, many menand women have gotten a reason to kill, rape, terrorize and worse. The metaphor God, has also the fault of giving some weird men a thought to write a book containing the ideas of a son of a carpenter who found followers among poor dolts of that era. The followers of this man wrote down what they remembered after many years of common hard life and senility and most likely added some parts when the mind went blank at some period. This book is controversial and it is utterly impossible to live by it, and that is why a hundred followers see the teaching of it a hundred different way and see the other worth killing for, non-believers as inferior and so on.
All in all, the metaphor God, is a fictious character of whose teachings(which are totally unknown to man, because a half starving son of a Charpenter felt like expressing his mind, and that has nothing to do with a divine being sending his message) to live by is impossible, and therefore saying that, "i live by the path of God/Chrisitianity" is completely hypocritical and come from a person who doesn't take the art of logical thinking seriously.

Damn i love the right of free speech!

I just listened to Slayers 2001. album "God hates us all", so maybe i am not a hundred percent friendly towards Chrisitianity at the moment, but am i ever?

 

Good sir, I salute you for an excellent post. 

Whether or not this story is true it is a symptom of th eonce great nation of America and the decline of America is alrgely due to the rise of the evangelicals.  These fools speak as if they love the country they live but if they truly love what America is about why do they seek to subvert the constitution which is actually a document of reasonable law, with their crazy mumbo jumbo book where a supreme "G"od with the mentality of a child smites whole population at whim?  If this "G"od does indeed exist and is even all powerful they ar so evil that humanity should rise up in defiance of "H"is will anyway, evne if it means courting certain destruction.

I swear I have already dedicated my life to combatting these religious psyhos for the good of America and the world. 

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Heres some prrof of how bad its getting in the US due to the increasing power of the Christian Taliban

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/03/airforce.religion/

And theres more and worse stories like that coming from military schools all over the country.  Even th emilitary , the one brach of governmetn the evangelicals like (because they want to bring about the end of the world or some crap about apocalaypse) is being intentionally weakened for the sake of their ideology.

These people are the most nationalistic Americans ever but ironically they will destroy the power of America because of their medievalist mentality.  I ask once again, what is the difference between Robertson and Bin Laden?  ideologically they are clones of each other.  As I like to say, honorary Texan=Saudi Arabian, honorary Saudi =Texan.

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Let's not forget that when Bush was asked if he consulted his father before the invasion of Iraq, he answered:

"I consulted my father in the heavens."

Or something to that effect. Now let's not be disingenuous. Bush has used--or even abused--religious language to get people to support his Iraqi War. Trying to pretend that he hasn't done so is dishonest.

Did Bush say those exact words? I don't know. But those words are very plausible.

Quote Bush said to James Robinson: 'I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it.


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,10 75950,00.html


Quote "We are in a conflict between good and evil. And America will call evil by its name," Mr Bush told West Point graduates in a speech last year.

In this battle, he placed his country firmly on the side of the angels.

"There is wonder-working power in the goodness and idealism of the American people," he said in this year's State of the Union address.


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Yes Tobodai, there just are some subjects in life which make words pour out onto a computer screen. Christianity is one.

And whenever i think of the radicalism in American Christianty, far are not the thoughts, that a society similar to the one in the movie "Equilibrium", is not far from becoming a reality in the dear "patriotic Texas"


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Originally posted by Tobodai Tobodai wrote:

Heres some prrof of how bad its getting in the US due to the increasing power of the Christian Taliban

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/03/airforce.religion/

And theres more and worse stories like that coming from military schools all over the country.  Even th emilitary , the one brach of governmetn the evangelicals like (because they want to bring about the end of the world or some crap about apocalaypse) is being intentionally weakened for the sake of their ideology.

These people are the most nationalistic Americans ever but ironically they will destroy the power of America because of their medievalist mentality.  I ask once again, what is the difference between Robertson and Bin Laden?  ideologically they are clones of each other.  As I like to say, honorary Texan=Saudi Arabian, honorary Saudi =Texan.

Yeah, coming from CNN on should take any coverage on religion, especially about Christianity, with a grain of salt.  They will go out of their way to dig up some non-story if they can in any way make it cast a negative light on Christians.  Pat Robertson is basically a joke and does not represent most evangelical Christians in the US.  He and his big mouth just gets all the publicity, and then the people who are already disinclined towards Christianity take him as an example to bash all Christians.



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