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Forum LockedGlobal Warming/climate change, what's your belief?

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    Posted: 02-May-2009 at 01:38
Originally posted by es_bih

I agree with you Omar, but in your part of the world Science is common sense, here in the US (within the Bible belt and the far right) it is a boogey man. A dangerous tide really, unless it changes within the next decade.

Yes, but we do have other unwanted traits.
Coal is our biggest export, running not only all of our power stations, but half of China's as well, as a result we have a very powerful coal lobby who are prepared to say that black is white in order to protect their business.
Politicians and publicans who aren't technical people are easily misled by their psuedo-science.
For example, both side of Parliment seem to be committed to geosequestration - pumping CO2 emissions from burning coal underground. (http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1195633.htm) 10,000s of kilometers off the Queensland & West Australian coast has been earmarked for it.
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Of course you won't comment on my view of Savage because you know you have nothing to come back with. He has said enough biggoted material over the years to have proven himself a bigot, but albeit a smart one at that, too, because unlike hicks in some backwater shack, he is banking some serious cash on his bullshit. 
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If you want we can argue this point in another thread I will not get sidetracked. I will be back in a week so PM me the topic, maybe the so-called Fairness Doctrine. The one thing that upsets me about you is you immigrate to our nation, with Christians roots, and then you act like a Christophobe- no offense!! We can put it on current events since Obama since the Dems and some Republicans want to pass this unconstitutional bill. I will read over the global warming articles you posted to be fair.
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Its possible that global warming exists... whether its caused by man is up for debate. The main weapon of the "green" crowd is the claim that the majority of scientists endorse their views, and that there is no debate among scientists about man-made global warming. Oh, really now?

Here is a petition signed by over 31,000 US scientists that reject the man-made global warming theory: http://petitionproject.com/
 
And here are the credentials of the scientists who signed this petition: http://petitionproject.com/qualifications_of_signers.php
 
By simply reading through this site, you will realize how scandalous the pro global warming crowd is when they claim repeatedly that "the majority of scientists endorse our views". No they don't, you just happen to ignore any scientist who doesn't play along with your theories. This website not only shows that there is serious scientific opposition to the man-made global warming theory, but it far outnumbers any list of scientists I've come across who actually endorse the theory.
 
As you can see, all the scientists who signed the petition are actually scientists in fields which relate to the issue of climate change. Many "scientists" or "doctors" that make statements in favor of man-made global warming, are not even doctors in fields that related to the climate. I've seen people refer to sociologists as "scientists" when they make comments about man-made global warming. I've even seen ethicists and other academia viewed as "scientists" by the people who are trying to push this theory onto the public.
 
Another trick of the global warming theorists is to use mathematical simulations of global warming, in order to "predict" the consequences of our actions in the near future. What they don't realize is, the mathematical simulations which feed us all these doomsday prophesies, are created by people, and are not objective models. The people who create these mathematical models of climate change, are funded by "green" money, and they have a particular agenda to increase the urgency of their theories, in order to recieve billions in funding. This fact by itself does not automatically mean their models are wrong--- but there is an obvious conflict of interest, and we cannot treat these scientists as some objective arbiter, when they clearly benefit from the hysteria of these doomsday theories.
 
Remember, global warming advocates in the 80's said that by the first decade of the 21st century, there would be no icecaps left, and the sea levels would rise to the point that entire cities would be destroyed. Can you imagine what lunacy we would have committed if we actually believed these people?
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Originally posted by es_bih

I agree with you Omar, but in your part of the world Science is common sense, here in the US (within the Bible belt and the far right) it is a boogey man. A dangerous tide really, unless it changes within the next decade.


 This attitude really surprised me. I don't know whether if i should feel proud or offended with the statement? Back up till the roaring twenties, people pushing the theory of evolution were considered dangerous if left unchecked, that is until those views took a hard judicial thump on the nose within the national conscience during and after the scopes trial. Now fast forward about eighty years and now it is those on the right, or the bible belt and the far right, who are being considered as the dangerous ones for disagreeing with the theory of global warming? This is just another reminder of how so much has changed and yet a lot still remains the same!

In my case, what concerns me quite a bit about this whole debate, if we can call it that really, is that science and scientists seem even more less concerned about their profession and much more about popularity and dogma; Especially if it subjects itself to the absolutes of political special interests groups above all other considerations? The question needs to be asked... in whose interest do scientist as a whole serve, fame or truth?

It would be no lie if i were to say that i am losing a little more respect, with each passing day so it seems, for a profession that i once greatly admired!
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Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival

Here is a petition signed by over 31,000 US scientists that reject the man-made global warming theory: http://petitionproject.com/
 
And here are the credentials of the scientists who signed this petition: http://petitionproject.com/qualifications_of_signers.php
  
As you can see, all the scientists who signed the petition are actually scientists in fields which relate to the issue of climate change. 

Ah yes, the fraudulent Oregon Petition warmed over. Only 40 signatories are climatologists, and not one of those discloses their name so it's impossible to verify if any climatologist at all has ever signed. Some weather anchors from local Fox stations have, and a few high school teachers; fraudulently claiming to have PhDs. A number of the signatories are actually climate activists who signed using the names of cartoon characters. Among all the truck drivers and ditzy weather presenters who signed up claiming to have PhDs (because the petition told them to include academic credentials), Donald Duck appears several times, along with Spongebob Squarepants and Bart Simpson. As you might guess, the authors of the petition never bothered to read it before they published it and never tried to verify any of the signatures.

Fred Sietz, the author of the petition, used to be with the tobacco lobby (as many of the professional climate contrarians - most of the climate denial industry is just the old tobacco denial industry moving its skills in bunk science to a new market). Phillip Morris dumped him in '89 stating that he was "quite elderly and not sufficiently rational to offer advice." http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2023266534.html

This one has been so thoroughly and totally debunked - if it fooled you once, shame on them, but if it fooled you twice, you're just too credulous to be taken seriously.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote ArmenianSurvival Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-May-2009 at 18:49

I'll check out your information, there might be something to it. Although, there are clearly no Donald Ducks or other characters on the petition that I linked. But I would like to see your information regarding what you refer to as invalid signatures.

The petition I linked is hardly the only scientific opposition to the man-made global warming theory. Here is another: http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2674e64f-802a-23ad-490b-bd9faf4dcdb7
 
Read some of the comments of scientists found just below the main report.
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