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Forum LockedGlobal Warming/climate change, what's your belief?

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    Posted: 09-Nov-2007 at 15:21

I apologize if this has already been disscussed here.

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Climate change is a fact. Whether its caused by humans or not is what the debate over. Personally I think humans are accelerating a natural warming process. 
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I'm unsure. 

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Personally, I believe -- and since I am not a scientist I must rely, here, on the majority of scientific scholarship -- that we are contributing to climate change in the world.
 
That said, it is obvious that our selfish, short-sighted policies are destructive. Not to throw us off track, but my environmental views are based upon my interpretation of the role of man vis-a-vis God's creation; the underlying issue, for me, is a theological/anthropological one, far more than it is a scientific one. The science simply provides the basis for making a proper moral decision. Thus, I view our careless disregard for the world around us in terms of an abrogation of our responsibility to be stewards of Creation.
 
Sorry to be so off-topic, but I don't get the chance to attempt to explain environmentalism from a Christian perspective much. Smile
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Panther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Nov-2007 at 16:44
Interesting view Akolouthos. I certainly can sympathize with other fellow Christian views of responsible stewards to the earth. Sadly however, that view doesn't get much play in the media, though i have personally come across those opinion's independently many times before in my own research.
 
I guess for myself, i have always been unsure about the issue. When science is involved, i never consider anything as absolute, i believe that is within the realm for politicans, who incidentally have a proven track record of constantly screwing things up most horribly; But heaven forbid scientists getting mixed up in the politics behind it! Anyways, i like to have alot more tangible evidence, other then what has been provided solely based on computer models, before making up my mind. Most especially when scientists and politicans are working in conjunction with each other in ringing the alarmist bells. Not a good combo for debating or rational thought!
 
With that in mind, i try too consider many other variable's such as... earth's natural history, climatology, meteorology, astronomy & ect... as well as keeping in mind, the idea behind this is still relatively young, atleast by several deacdes? Thus... it is subject too alot of revision in the coming years with the acquisition of even more scientific knowledge too either support or deny the actuality of this event!
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I decided to vote yes.  I do believe the climate is getting warmer.  One thing I also believe is that we are a major factor in warming the earth.  Would it still be warming up without us?  I am not sure, though I would tend to say unlikely.
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I'm in the position where I have seen it happen a bit more every year. Melbourne used to be the miserable city in Australia for rain and cold, now you would swear you are in the south of France. Even houses that are falling apart are fetching half a million bucks in the inner suburbs. 
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I definitely believe something is happening. Judging from the statistics, it's going on at an ever increasing rate, so it seems it's accelerating. whether it's because of something we do, I don't know, but I believe we at least contribute to the phenomenon.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Nov-2007 at 22:55
Amazing that nobodies actually consulted the planet Earth itself yet.
 
I have it on good authoruty Gaia said "It's better to burn out, than fade away"
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Post Options Post Options   Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Nov-2007 at 00:08
I thought Gaia said, If those greedy and argumentative two legged critters don't stop messing with my surface about I'll fry them out of existence and develop more agreeable life  forms to live off me."  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TheARRGH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Nov-2007 at 01:00
I believe in global warming because there is enough evidence that the climate is changing, and a lot to at least SUGGEST that humans have at least a bit of impact on it.

My rationale for doing something to adapt or deal with it, even if climate change isn't affected by humans...

well,Put it like this:

Cost/benefit analysis=

IF it is accelerated by humans and we do something-
THEN we do not stop the change, but fewer people perhaps, die in floods or storms, and from pollution, which causes roughly forty percent of deaths, technology uses fewer resources and is generally more efficient, thus saving money and ushering in something of a rush of research and development, possibly new financial opportunities as well.

IF it is not accelerated or much affected by human actions and we do something,
THEN all of the above still happens, which means it's still worthwhile.

IF we do nothing in either case
THEN people die, resources get messed up, politicians start apologizing and saying that they didn't know anything and that "mistakes have been made," people will be pissed off, stuff in general gets fairly screwed up, and we wonder "why didn't anyone do something?" like every single bloody generation wonders about the generation before, then goes and makes similar mistakes because they are just as bad at learning lessons of the past.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Penelope Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Nov-2007 at 01:45
I've noticed that a lot of people tend to think that global warming as a whole, doesnt even exist. Which leads me to think these people are just saying that becuase they dont want any money to be spent on attempting to reverse it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TheARRGH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Nov-2007 at 02:25
It's rather ludicrous, too...

"Global warming is just a hoax!"
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 17:19

Humanity is a cancer on the face of the planet.  That's what I think.

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Humanity is not the cancer, civilization is.

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Humanity, heal thyself of your rotten ways of civilization!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 22:42
Civilisation is a consequence of humanity and inseparable from it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Nov-2007 at 00:05
Civilization is one of the consequence of the actions of civilization. But as for being inseparables who makes the rules of civilization and who said that we have to keep on acting the way we have been? It's time to stop our excesses and concentrate on sustainable successes
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Nov-2007 at 00:41
Who says? We do, literally - once we get a taste for something, no matter how destructive, as long as it makes us feel good we'll keep on doing it because we can and know how.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Nov-2007 at 02:34
Hey, wait a minute, I can't do destructive things that may make me feel good because I can't afford to. Anyway, I'm not sure that I want to even if I could afford a life of total self-indulgence.
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