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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2005 at 07:18
Originally posted by 1TurkToRuleAll 1TurkToRuleAll wrote:

Originally posted by Komnenos Komnenos wrote:

9 for the Macedonians, 7 for the Greeks, 3 for the Cypriots and 1 for the one Turk to rule them all.

what do u mean ?

He gives reference to the Lord of the Rings

Nice joke! 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2005 at 07:28
Quote I have been found in a map a city (or town?) called Turku in Finnland. It's quite interesting.


As already stated in this thread it comes from a Russian word for marketplace.

Originally posted by 1TurkToRuleAll 1TurkToRuleAll wrote:

turks also conquered the whole europe .. north europe is included ..

great hun empire n european hun empire conquered whole europe about 1500 yrs ago ..

so as u know hungarians are turks too .. so it makes sense there might be many turk folks in europe today ..



Not really. The Turko-Mongolic Huns conquered less than half of Europe (eg not Northern Europe), and were nowhere near Finland. The Huns of course have descendants in Europe, but calling anyone Turk is like calling the Indians a Saxon people. The Hungarians aren't Turks either,  as the 'Hun' affiliation is *highly* questioned.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2005 at 13:02
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2005 at 16:08
Originally posted by 1TurkToRuleAll 1TurkToRuleAll wrote:

http://www.mmylo.com/16.htm



...which support what I said. Assuming the site is correct, they conquered 'only' two fifths of Europe, Northern Europe not a part of it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2005 at 16:40

Fins arent Turks. Why is this topic sticky?

I mean, really, I cant...

And Turks havent conquered whole Europe. As Styrbiorn said, Huns conquered 2/5 of it. Ottomans about 1/5 I guess. Huns werent in large numbers, the survivors have some stayed in Hungary, others to Bulgaria and assimilated.

Today, Hungarians are related with Turks both historically and linguistically, but it doesnt mean they are Turks. Their name comes from a Turkic tribe called Onogur, possibly related with Onok, the ancestors of Oguz. But they arent Turkic. Neither the Finns. Turks are the people who belong to the Turkic societies, from Gagauzia of Moldovia to Altaysk in Russia.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2005 at 17:08

Styrbiorn:

'Turku' is really a Russian word?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2005 at 17:28
Yes. Or Swedish, but I find the Russian version more often (though I haven't found an explanation on why) so I went with that. Old Swedish torg and Old Russian turgu both means market place, from which Turku comes. It was a market place for centuries, and when the Swedes founded Åbo around it in 1229, the Finns kept calling it 'Turku'.


edit: apparently Åbo Academy (a university in Turku/Åbo) claims it comes from Swedish, as does a whole bunch of Swedish or Finnish etymology pages, but whatever the case it has nothing to do with the Turks.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2005 at 18:23
Originally posted by Oguzoglu Oguzoglu wrote:

Fins arent Turks. Why is this topic sticky?

I think we are related by Topical riches!

If this topic doesn't stay icky then it won't be sticky.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2005 at 18:55

Let me create a funny ethimology for Turku:

You know "bazaar" means market place and it comes from the Turkish word "pazar" = marketplace. If the westerner English took the Turkish name of market place for their own usage, this was because the word pazar was widely used on the lands where Ottomans ruled, i.e. a very wide land on three continents. This word was widely used in the Eastern Europe, too. So Russians thought "the Turkish market places (pazar) are very famous so let's call it Turku instead of using the word 'Turkish pazar!'"!!!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Aug-2005 at 09:37
Styrbiorn:

The Finnish word "turku" comes from Russian, yes, and it was borrowed the same time into Swedish. Then, over time, as the Finnish grew bored with only one word for market place, they borrowed Swedish "torg".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Aug-2005 at 18:34
finns, huns and turks has a same origin(its not theory, its reality, look at genetic works)

but, if finns doesnt want to search their own history, we dont have to care about that, we dont need finns or huns

but i like nokia cell phones(i know friends, you really like this phone, but lets make Swedens as a Turk, becouse Erisccson will make better things)
http://www.raksmobil.com/english/products.htm


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Aug-2005 at 19:23

What's this nonsense?!?!

If there is a slight similarity, this is in the field of linguistics, not genetics.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Aug-2005 at 17:10
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Aug-2005 at 17:36

Oh, shi*!

I think I have a real dispute with my m-RNA. He doesnt speak a damn single WORD!

I'll have to use general Turkish methods to make him speak I guess...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Aug-2005 at 16:25
Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

Yes. Or Swedish, but I find the Russian version more often (though I haven't found an explanation on why) so I went with that. Old Swedish torg and Old Russian turgu both means market place, from which Turku comes. It was a market place for centuries, and when the Swedes founded Åbo around it in 1229, the Finns kept calling it 'Turku'.

Most likely Russ. торг (torg, 'bargain') is Khazaric, since one of their head-quarter was called Turku and those are the most powerful i eastern Europe, copying Arabic coins but replacing every Islamic text with Jewish (or Christian) names. I suppose Mong. Törük ('strong; powerful') refers to religious power, not physical power?

Originally posted by Ku-ukko Ku-ukko wrote:

The fact that Finns, Estonians, Karelians, Livs, Veps, Vot and Ingrelians are "German/Scandianvian blood" is because they have had close contacts with other people in the Baltic region.

Scandinavian blood?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Aug-2005 at 16:56

[Most likely Russ. торг (torg, 'bargain') is Khazaric, since one of their head-quarter was called Turku and those are the most powerful i eastern Europe, copying Arabic coins but replacing every Islamic text with Jewish (or Christian) names. I suppose Mong. Törük ('strong; powerful') refers to religious power, not physical power?]

Here it is! You see! There's a Turkic (Khazars) root! 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Aug-2005 at 17:19
Quote Most likely Russ. торг (torg, 'bargain') is Khazaric, since one of their head-quarter was called Turku and those are the most powerful i eastern Europe, copying Arabic coins but replacing every Islamic text with Jewish (or Christian) names. I suppose Mong. Törük ('strong; powerful') refers to religious power, not physical power?


The Khazars were far away though. The question was whether the special town of Turku/Åbo got the Turku part from the Swedes or Russians, not from where the actual word came. Nevermind though, it doesn't matter

Originally posted by Hrodger Hrodger wrote:


Originally posted by Ku-ukko Ku-ukko wrote:

The fact that Finns, Estonians, Karelians, Livs, Veps, Vot and Ingrelians are "German/Scandianvian blood" is because they have had close contacts with other people in the Baltic region.

Scandinavian blood?


The (Western) Finns are very much related to Swedes genetically. Some even say they are Germanic people but with a Finnic language, but that might be to go to far. Dunno about the others though.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Aug-2005 at 17:29
Finns are not turkic. Genetically and culturally they are not. Because there language might have a slight similarity with turkish languages does not make them turkic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Aug-2005 at 17:58
Of course they are not... I'm just joking
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Aug-2005 at 18:12
I still dunno why this topic is sticky.if it wasn't for sticky it would have been forgotton week ago.it doesn't do anything but take attention.It was a joke in the first place 
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