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    Posted: 20-Jun-2005 at 07:51

 

Were there any female rulers in your country before the modern times? Was she a great queen or just puppet? What did your people think about a female ruler?

In Hungary there were two ruling queen both named Mary. (It is an interesting coincidence that the patron of Hungary is Mary mother of Jesus).

Mary I was the daughter of Louis I the Great. She had a sad and short reign. She was prisoned, her mother was killed before her face. She died in a horse accident and her husband remainded the only ruler.

Mary II or Maria Theresia had a long reign. She was rather popular in Hungary for a Habsburg. Reportedly she crowned as a king, because a female rule was unacceptable. As a young queen attacked by her enemies she asked help for the Hungarian Diet with his crying baby. (In gossips she pinched him to cry.  ) So the Diet offered her Vitam et sanguinem and saved her queen.

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We have none. It is strange that such a liberal and open minded country as Australia has had no real female in power (unless you include the almost totally ceremonial figureheads of Victoria and Elizabeth I). Before the British colonies here federated in 1901 women here already were effectively the equal of men in political terms. Colonies such as South Australia had given women the right to vote for the colonial parliament in the same capacity as men, and with the colonial government the way it was this was tantamount to electing the effective decision making body for their society.

Yet we are not even close to having a woman contend for power. There is a certain masculinity in the Aussie psyche, not a derogatory one which shuns women but simply one which exalts the "virile" characteristics of men in general. Because of this I think it will take a very long time before we see a woman effectively in charge here.

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We didn't ever had a real femalle ruler. Well at least no officialy, you could argue Fredegund ruled the country in place of her husband though.
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We had also two empresses in Iran, Empress Buran (Purandokht) and Empress Azarmidokht, both of them were the daughters of Khosrow II (one of the greatest Sassanid kings), when Buran ascended to the throne, she attempted to bring stability to the empire. This stability, according to Tabari, was brought about by a peace treaty with Byzantium, the revitalizing of the empire through justice, rebuilding of the infrastructure, lowering of taxes, and minting coins. We know that Buran was acknowledged by all provinces, since throughout the empire various mints struck coins in her name.


Coin of Empress Buran

Buran was committed to reviving the memory and prestige of her father, when the Sassanid Empire had grown to its largest territorial extant.

But her sister Azarmidokht was not a great empress, she killed Farraokh Hormoz, one of the greatest Iranian Spahapats (Generals), just because he asked to marry her!

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LOL maybe he was ugly
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Anatolia known as the land of mothers... THe real history of Turkish flag is, it's taken from Byzantines when conquer Istanbul in 1453 and they took it from older Anatolians... Moon was the symbol of motherearth and star was the symbol of mothers of Anatolians... So Anatolians were also rulled by a lot of women... Also Amazones are from Anatolia...
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Originally posted by Midas Midas wrote:

Anatolia known as the land of mothers... THe real history of Turkish flag is, it's taken from Byzantines when conquer Istanbul in 1453 and they took it from older Anatolians... Moon was the symbol of motherearth and star was the symbol of mothers of Anatolians... So Anatolians were also rulled by a lot of women... Also Amazones are from Anatolia...

This is off topic so sorry about that. But I read once that Byzantium had the symbol of the moon since it was saved from an attack by Philip of Macedon. Apparently the light of the moon betrayed a planned night attack by Philip's men so that the Byzantines and their Athenian allies were able to stop the city being captured. In gratitude for this deliverance the ancient Byzantines adopted the moon as part of the symbolic paraphernalia of their city. I only read this once so I am not sure how valid this is. If someone could enlighten things further then please do. The rest of you, do better than me and stick to the topic.

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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

This is off topic so sorry about that. But I read once that Byzantium had the symbol of the moon since it was saved from an attack by Philip of Macedon. Apparently the light of the moon betrayed a planned night attack by Philip's men so that the Byzantines and their Athenian allies were able to stop the city being captured. In gratitude for this deliverance the ancient Byzantines adopted the moon as part of the symbolic paraphernalia of their city. I only read this once so I am not sure how valid this is. If someone could enlighten things further then please do. The rest of you, do better than me and stick to the topic.

I've never actually heard that, but it could very well be true.  Philip had indeed been repulsed in his attempts to take Byzantium and Perinthus (and interestingly enough, the Greeks called on the Persians to help them defend these cities). 

I generally hear that the crescent has something to do with Byzantium's patron diety, Diana, though.



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We had a female president. Tansu Ciller,Ask her to greeks how  femini she is.

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We have never had a female ruler.
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Originally posted by Jalisco Lancer Jalisco Lancer wrote:



We have never had a female ruler.

unless you count pre-columbian city states. In that case you've had queen Sac K'uk' of Palenque.

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well, but that reference is from the mesoamerican period. Even Tonalla had a female ruler. But , I was refering to Mexico as a country ( 1821 - )

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Originally posted by Exarchus Exarchus wrote:

We didn't ever had a real femalle ruler. Well at least no officialy, you could argue Fredegund ruled the country in place of her husband though.

You forgot Catherina de Medici, altough she was ruling trough her puppet sons. Not that she was really a ruler but her influence was strong.



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5000 years ago, women held power in burnt city

 According to the research by an archeological team in the burnt city, women comprised the most powerful group in this 5000-year-old city.

The archeological team has found a great number of seals in the women's graves. In ancient societies, holding a seal was a sign of power, and was of 2 kinds: personal and governmental.

The burnt city ancient site located in Sistan-Baluchistan province, southeastern Iran, dates back to some 5000 years ago and belongs to a developed civilization living at the time when cities of the world were just beginning to form.

"In the ancient world, there were tools used as a means of economic control. Whoever had these tools at his disposal was among the most powerful people in the society", Mansour Sajjadi, the Iranian archeologist responsible for excavations in the burnt city told CHN.

According to Sajjadi, during the excavations in the burnt city cemetery, 90% of the graves in which the seals were found belonged to women. Only 5% of these seals were found in men's graves.

http://www.payvand.com/news/04/dec/1196.html

Add them To " Queen Puran Dokht & Queen Azar midokht "

 

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We're getting the first female ruler in Germany in September and I'm not looking forward to it.
Not because she is a woman, but because she is a right-wing conservative.
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For Luxembourg, there have been a couple in the 20th century, both of course constitutional monarchs. The Grand Duchess Marie Adelaide followed her father in 1912, but was forced to abdicate in 1919 because of her pro-German stance in WWI, in favour of her sister Grand Duchess Charlotte, who reigned until she abdicated in 1964 in favour of her son. She was immensely popular because of her steadfast ANTI-German stance in WWII.

Oddly though, Luxembourg's independence is partly due to the fact that sonse have primacy over daughters in the succession ('Semi-Salic Law'). Technically it became an independent country in 1867, but the King of the Netherlands was also Grand Duke of Luxembourg. In 1884 King William died, and his daughter, the redoubtable Wilhelmina, became Queen of the Netherlands. She was not however allowed to succeed in Luxembourg, where the succession went to a cousin who became Grand Duke Adolphe.

Much more significantly, much the same thing happened in 1837 when William IV of England, Scotland and so on died. For over a century the King of England had also been Elector of Hanover, with considerable German possessions [1]. Victoria succeeded him in England, but was not allowed to succeed in Hanover. Otherwise a large part of Germany would have continued to be effectively part of the United Kingdom, which could have made quite a bit of difference to subsequent history.

[1] Hence the Hessians that fought in the American War of Independence and the King's German Legion that fought in the Peninsular War.

 

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Korea's had 3 queens.

Here in the States we're still waiting though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BlackPanther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jun-2005 at 23:55

We had Jhansi Ki Rani..Rani in Hindi means Queen..Her real name awas Rani Lakshmi Bhai...She fought against the Britis Raj...But i can't find a good enough link for u guyzz to read..this is the best i could muster...

    I'll let uknqw if i get more details...

  http://www.freeindia.org/biographies/greatlkings/jhansi/

 

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As far as i can remember,in Ancient Hellas men had the political power whether they were in democracy or oligarchy but women,especially in Athens, had a very heavy say in the political scenery.During the Byzantine period the emperors were male,but many times their wives or mothers were really in charge.During the years after the liberation of Ottoman rule,men were again those who had the power.

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