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Poll Question: How do Europeans(and the world) feel about Americans
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Well,I think its being a bit of a stereotype if you say all Americans think their country is superior.Becuase the fact that many americans come from immigrant families,most can say their native country is the one they love the most.Many americans are actually nationalistic about the country their ethnicity or race is from.And Americans aren't the only ignorant ones in this world,it is becuase of our nations policies and decisions that so many people from other countries hate americans.The fact is,the're also hating many of their own people,because America is filled with people from around the world.I can tell you,though,that the americans who think they're superior to the other people of the world,are the ones who clearly don't think much where they actually come from.

I had a discussion about this in class once,and I can tell you 85% of the students say that America isn't the best country in the world,becuase they feel that America's policies are what give this nation a bad reputation.I'll be honest,America is almost an international dictatorship,telling other countries what they can,and cannot do,especially in the terms of nuclear weapons, and such.I personally hate that America is like this.


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Originally posted by Vamun Tianshu Vamun Tianshu wrote:

Well,I think its being a bit of a stereotype if you say all Americans think their country is superior.Becuase the fact that many americans come from immigrant families,most can say their native country is the one they love the most.Many americans are actually nationalistic about the country their ethnicity or race is from.And Americans aren't the only ignorant ones in this world,it is becuase of our nations policies and decisions that so many people from other countries hate americans.The fact is,the're also hating many of their own people,because America is filled with people from around the world.I can tell you,though,that the americans who think they're superior to the other people of the world,are the ones who clearly don't think much where they actually come from.

I had a discussion about this in class once,and I can tell you 85% of the students say that America isn't the best country in the world,becuase they feel that America's policies are what give this nation a bad reputation.I'll be honest,America is almost an international dictatorship,telling other countries what they can,and cannot do,especially in the terms of nuclear weapons, and such.I personally hate that America is like this.

What you say about America consisting of ppl's from all over is completly true and is Canada. THat we have such a history of openess is something I think we can both be proud of THe statue of liberty in New York had always been a sign of ultimate freedom and greeting to the europeans arriving during much of the United State's history and at the time, America truly was the land of liberty. But with it's modern role as world power, like you've said, now America tends to dictate to others what they are capable of and so on, see this is what most of the world dislikes, it's not so much the common people of America it's just these foreign policies that have come ot the point where many anti-american sentiments are growing. 

O and I admit fullheartedly that there are many other ignorant ppl in this world, not only americans, why those russians they....lol kidding! But I dunno what it is but American history of fighting for everything with the belief war achieves something is what I disagree with, see I am of german descent and when I think that such a beautiful country as GErmany which I have visited, suffered so much for the conciquences of war. Nazi germany also had a dream, and it tore the place apart. Now I'm not saying dreams are bad or that the american "dream" ressembles in any way nazi idealism but it's just this "triggor happy" attitude many americans tend to have, it's not kool.

I mean for example I have a friend who went to florida on vacation, and while there on a bus came into conversation with some americans and at one point they asked what some other Canadian vacation "places" were and my friend acidentally mentionned cuba. WEll sure enough an american said "I think anyone who visits cuba should be shot." as bluntly as that. To think they were jsut talking about tourism my friends. Listen, I believe in freedom of speech, but we dont' talk about guns that casually. Personally I find this a rude comment and I dont' care what ur beliefs are, you dont' say that. No one deserves to be shot. THere are many other ways how to state one's dislike of a communist regime. Now I don't know how this comment was taken by the other americans but apparently it was nothing out of the ordinary.

Now I realize I must sound extremely prejudice agaisnt americans by my previous comments. Plz know that I do not judge an entire ppl on one story but it still leaves one wondering, and then all the reports on the news of school shootings.  I dont' think there's been a murder in my town in 30 years and I live in a small urbain center, I mean compare that to any American town. Now that Americans in general believe guns can solve something, that in itself I consider a bit ignorant...

But anyway on a lighter tone, I agree that it's mostly ppl who dont' think of where they come from that tend to be the conceded ones, and I understand perfectly not all americans are like that. All cultures have their strengths and in loving them all, we have freedom

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You know,Studies show that America has more crima rate than any other country in this world...you do have a point.I mean,for every 10 Amercian crimes,there is one crime in the rest of the world some people say here.But of course,it might not be true,its just a saying...But I agree with you

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Originally posted by The Golden Phallanx The Golden Phallanx wrote:

All cultures have their strengths and in loving them all, we have freedom


No offense intended, but does America really have that much freedom? When it became independent it was indeed one of the freest (sp?) countries in the world. But  things have changed. I think there are currently several (mostly European) countries in the world that are freer (sp?) than the USA.
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Originally posted by MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli wrote:


Originally posted by The Golden Phallanx The Golden Phallanx wrote:

All cultures have their strengths and in loving them all, we have freedom


No offense intended, but does America really have that much freedom?
When it became independent it was indeed one of the freest (sp?)
countries in the world. But  things have changed. I think there
are currently several (mostly European) countries in the world that are
freer (sp?) than the USA.
Isnt he Canadian? Anyway, in certain social aspects yes they do seem to have more freedoms.
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Originally posted by MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli wrote:

Originally posted by The Golden Phallanx The Golden Phallanx wrote:

All cultures have their strengths and in loving them all, we have freedom


No offense intended, but does America really have that much freedom? When it became independent it was indeed one of the freest (sp?) countries in the world. But  things have changed. I think there are currently several (mostly European) countries in the world that are freer (sp?) than the USA.

 

yes, right now the US is denying its own free heritage.  Not to flatter you but I think your country is the freeist of all right now...hmm.how hard is it to learn Dutch and get citizenship?

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"All cultures have their strengths and in loving them all, we have freedom"

That last statement I made was just like a concluding sentence, as in it's a good policy to have. I wasn't necessarily referring to America there, and I don't believe Americans have full freedom but I'm just saying that if we do this, we'll be one step closer to democracy and freedom.

I honour American history but like you, fellah from Panama, (sry I forget your name), the america of today is not altogther the same thing...

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Actually,I think he is from Netherlands.

Anyway,it is true that the US is certainly not the freest country in the world.Canada,in many aspects and ways,is more prosperous and free than US.US foriegn policies,heritage issues,and other things are pushing on its people.

I can tell you this,it is true that the US is an international dictatorship!


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Originally posted by Tobodai Tobodai wrote:

Originally posted by MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli wrote:

Originally posted by The Golden Phallanx The Golden Phallanx wrote:

All cultures have their strengths and in loving them all, we have freedom


No offense intended, but does America really have that much freedom? When it became independent it was indeed one of the freest (sp?) countries in the world. But  things have changed. I think there are currently several (mostly European) countries in the world that are freer (sp?) than the USA.

 

yes, right now the US is denying its own free heritage.  Not to flatter you but I think your country is the freeist of all right now...hmm.how hard is it to learn Dutch and get citizenship?


Hmmm. Getting citizenship is quite hard recently. The current government is extremely tough on immigration. Though you're from a wealthy country, so I guess it won't be a problem. But you have to be quick, authoritarian anti-terror and anti-crime laws are starting to arise here as well.
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though I doubt they are as draconian as here!

Pre WW2 America was probably the freeist country int he world, and defeinately pre-WW1 America, although in the 20's there was a breif period where Japan was the freeist country (BREIF) certainly in at least the past 20 years the Netherlands, Scandinavian countries, Canada, and some others are freer, I guess a good question would be why?  What has changed?

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THe fact that America has become a world power is what has changed. Power turns an honourable man into a descriminatory criminal....not always but what you all say is true, America is no longer the free country it was, no matter what that contradicting Bush claims.

And yes, I believe thsoe are the freeist countries in the world at the moment, the scandinavia lands, canada and maybe the Benolux lands? ....

And i dunno if you ppl were referring to me but I am not dutch, I am Canadian; live in Canada, eat in Canada, sleep in Greenland tho...(sleep in Canada too lol....but I am of french, german and british origin and speak german at home adn grand supporter of the Bundesrepublik Deutchland! Go to a french school however with french ppl yet live in an english town.... I consider myself a german canadian tho, but no, not dutch...unfortunately.

 

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...u know, rereading that, I'm quiet a mess eh? hahaha...
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I want to know , the ITalian Civilization in game of Age of Empires 3???
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Ok I dont care about any nations but Spain so I say make Spain the greatest nation in the game  RIGHT NOW!!!Oh and Spain is the best nation in the world and all other dont even come close to it!
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Ok look guys the Spanish flag doesnt look like that it has to have the emblem in the middle.This flag sucks.So if anyone see's this change it. I mean really canada has its leaf and I dont have my emblem!!!!It sickens me!

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BRAVO BRAVO!!!!!!!

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Golden I think the same thing.....Ok Iaco

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Spain IS NOT THE BEST COUNTRY, IS CRAP COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!

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