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    Posted: 13-May-2009 at 03:09

Elections to the European Parliament for another term are occuring in early June EU wide, although on diffrent days depending on nation.

Right now at the moment however though in terms of politcal analysis little is predicted to change electorally after the election. However it should be espeically interesting in my opinion in Great Britain, France, Belgium, Denmark, Hungray, Austria, Sweden and perhaps Spain, along with whatever other EU nations where a sitting government is currently unpopular.
 
It should be also interesting to see if the far-right gains a seat Britain(mainly from the possibilty of the BNP from somehow gaining from the decline of the UKIP). Austria(where they alredy have traction) or Italy with the same case. France should be interesting also as the two largest parties in the nation are both unpopular with voters(which leaves open the possibilty of the centerists or far-left gaining seats). Germany should also be interesting to watch and maybe a hairbanger of vitory or defeat for Mrs. Merkel's reelection in the fall depending on the results.
 
So this should none the less be an interesting election to watch.
 
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too bad interest here isn't very big. unfortunately dumb people don't know how many policies are made by the EU that affect their everyday live...
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If your interested watch how Declan Ganley's Libertas party does. The makings of a European wide political party (A true continental party is there)

I wouldn't vote for them mind, but for an objective onlooker they are interesting to follow.
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Originally posted by Parnell<br>I wouldn't vote for them<br>
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neither would I. The leader of the Dutch c

neither would I. The leader of the Dutch chapter has said she's in favor of torture and admires Ann Coulter.

I don't know which party I am going to vote for yet, I think either GroenLinks (Green) or D66 (liberal).

A Dutch newspaper has released a tool which finds the party (national or European) thatmost fits your opinions: http://www.euprofiler.eu/ I ended up on GroenLinks for Dutch parties and the Green Party of Catalonia for all European parties.
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whoever made this idotic test, look at some questions:

Quote to improve economic growth, immigration of skilled workers should be encouraged


at first glance there's nothing wrong with this question but the topic here is "immigration". excuse me? this question is about economics and/or education, least i would see this from the perspective of immigration.

Quote we should expect from immigrants that they accept our culture and values


this is one of the dumbest. of course they need to accept our culture and values, why would they want to immigrate here in the first place if they didn't? if you repalce 'accept' with 'adopt', then this sentence might actually makes sense in the context.

Quote the legalization of homosexual marriages is a good thing


duh. i don't know if it's a good thing, maybe because i'm not homosexual in the first place? they should ask this questions to gay people, not me who cannot know this. if they ask me however what i think of marriage in general, now that's a whole different story...


Quote the EU should drastically reduce agrarian subsidies


while i don't like subsidies, i don't want to see the end of agrarianism in europe either, but that machine only allows me to select yes or no...

Quote measures to fight climatic change blahblah


dude, climatic change is a state of nature, it's not something you can fight like crime, it's something that just happens like sunrise and sunset, rain and snow...



anyways, i am already settled to vote for FDPs candidate.


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I found this test also kinda stupid. Interstinegly enough, it managed to position me in a circle where no greek parties were, so I still don't know what to vote exactly.

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I don't vote for the European Parliament because it's useless.
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Originally posted by Frederick Roger Frederick Roger wrote:

I don't vote for the European Parliament because it's useless.


Join 50-60% of the European population...
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Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:

Originally posted by Frederick Roger Frederick Roger wrote:

I don't vote for the European Parliament because it's useless.


Join 50-60% of the European population...
 
Should be 100%. Perhaps then the EU would get the hint and empower the Parliament.
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Here is an interesting article about the upcoming EU elections.
 
 
It is of the opinion that the popularity of nationa leaders is going to play into the results and perhaps could be a seetback for a more unified Europe.
 
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Originally posted by Kevin Kevin wrote:

It is of the opinion that the popularity of nationa leaders is going to play into the results

Nothing new. European elections have always been a poll on national politics.
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Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

too bad interest here isn't very big. unfortunately dumb people don't know how many policies are made by the EU that affect their everyday live...


I wouldn't call them dumb. Many abstain because they simply don't support the whole thing, many others realise they don't actually have any influence anyway.

I'm still considering if I should vote or not.
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I wouldn't call them dumb. Many abstain because they simply don't support the whole thing,

And abstaining is the correct answer? Talk me about dumbness...

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And abstaining is the correct answer? Talk me about dumbness...

Please explain why it is dumb. It undermines the credibility and popular support of the whole thing, which is exactly what many wants. Especially in countries where anti-EU parties do not exist (e.g. Sweden) it's a valid option. 


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Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

Originally posted by xristar xristar wrote:


And abstaining is the correct answer? Talk me about dumbness...

Please explain why it is dumb. It undermines the credibility and popular support of the whole thing, which is exactly what many wants. Especially in countries where anti-EU parties do not exist (e.g. Sweden) it's a valid option. 

In practice you're right.
In theory there should be an anti-EU option. If there are people who oppose the EU in Sweden, they're free to create their party.

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i wouldn't say i oppose the EU but i don't like many aspects of the EU. that said i don't want them to do what they want but try to influence by voting. even though Styrbiorn made a valid point as Germany too has no anti-EU party but not voting in effect changes nothing because some people will always vote and their voice will then matter even more. and it could be a bad one.
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So basically different electoral laws in different countries lead to ridiculous situations. Some country allow foreign nationals to vote in European elections, some countries allow their citizens to vote whether they live in the country or not, other countries only allow their own citizens living in their own country to vote.

The result:

A Dutch journalist living in Spain has received two voting forms, a Dutch one and a Spanish one. He has offered one of them for sale on the internet. At the same time Danish people in the Netherlands are not allowed to vote for either country.

Goes only to show how serious the governments themselves are taking this election. Could you imagine a native of Pennsylvania not being to be allowed to vote because he lives in Virginia?

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Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

i wouldn't say i oppose the EU but i don't like many aspects of the EU. that said i don't want them to do what they want but try to influence by voting. even though Styrbiorn made a valid point as Germany too has no anti-EU party but not voting in effect changes nothing because some people will always vote and their voice will then matter even more. and it could be a bad one.


That's my dilemma. However, in the case of Sweden people vote either on 'their' parties, or the Pirates. The fascists, otherwise thriving on the established parties' reluctance do deal or even recognize the problems with immigration, are not going to get many votes for the EU. The only risk is that the Pirate Party gets more votes than they should, but those guys are harmless.
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Voting has occurred today in Britain, the Netherlands, with a total of 97 MEP's.

It appears that Geert Wilder's Party of Freedom looks like it has performed strongly in the polls and has picked up four seats in the EU Parliament.
http://www.euronews.net/2009/06/04/wilders-four-eu-seats/                                                                                                                                                       
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Originally posted by Kevin Kevin wrote:

It appears that Geert Wilder's Party of Freedom looks like it has performed strongly in the polls and has picked up four seats in the EU Parliament.
                                               

...stupid idiots.

What is also pretty bad is that it seems no party has got more than 20% of the votes. If it will also be like this in the next elections for the national parliament (fortunately that'll take 2 years) it's going to be very hard to form a coalition government.

In better news, D66 and GreenLeft are the other winners, exactly the two parties I doubted between voting for.

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