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    Posted: 17-Jun-2007 at 04:50
who has to pay for this elementary right ?
 
If there is a free access to this important basic of human developement in your country, please tell me who has to pay for it ?
 
While in Iceland the nearly all basic institution for education are free, payed by a highly developed public system, i know that in many other countries the parents have to pay a lot for the education of their kids.
 
In Germany f.e. we would have pay about 130 € or even more for the Kindergarten place of a kid.
At a German university you have to pay 500 € ach semester.
 
Although i know that the most children in afrika or south-america will not get any chance for an education, i think in many western countries a good education only depends on daddy's moneybag.
 
Another good argument for throwing overboard the capitalstic system and implant a fair arrangment.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jul-2007 at 09:39
UK has an odd mis of public and private. Private is virtualy exclusivly for people who are relativly wealthy, and tends to be better quality. Public is in theory for all, but due to the wierd poscode lottery fetish the British have, means that wealthier people often get better publicly funded education than people who just happen to live in poorer neighbourhoods.
The situation is in some areas considered such a problem, that authorities are taken up the bussing kids to other school districts approach use in parts of the US to aleviate percieved racial seperation in schools.

So if the UK system is anything to go by, simply having a publicly funded school system is in itself not enough, its all about its implementation.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Traveller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jul-2007 at 09:43
I believe in the govt. providing guarantee of good education to children of poor parents.At the same time there should be separate schools for the exceptionally talented.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Maharbbal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jul-2007 at 17:41
In France, education is free till the end of high school (17-18 years old).

University requires fees never superior to 300 euros (including an advantaeous social security) and many actually don't pay it.

Traditionally private schools are ill-regarded, and tend to specialise in weirdos incapable to succeed in the normal curriculum.

Nonetheless private can buy a top quality education:
- one term to two years abroad is almost compulsory in the good society and the EU does not provide it.
- many use private professor to cope with their difficulies
- some unis have already managed to get higher fees (2000 euros) and soon all will be entitled to set their own fees.
- some disciplines are solely taught in private institutions (architecture, business) or have a huge number of them (applied arts, paramedic).
- most of the life-long-formation is private

In my opinion the voucher system is certainly the best one:
- education is free, i.e. private schools monitored by the state can thrive but public ones can too.
- parents can decide were to put their children, they are granted a certain sum of money to pay the fees and can get aid from the government or special foundations or special low interest loans. The fees must be limited at a certain percentage above the sum automatically granted to all parents.
- schools must accept a certain number of poorer students
- special programs could be launched to help the schools performing poorly.

As a result you'd get the advantages of free concurrence without most of the disavantages. There would be no miracle, but surely it would help.
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500 euros?! In the US, a semester at a decent university costs about $10,000 or more.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jul-2007 at 09:58
Christ, and i thought 3000 pounds for a whole year was bad.
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In Spain, education is obligatory (and technically free) until you're sixteen years old. However, you can always attend a private school. There's even a third group, which mixes both types so there are 'private' schools with low fees.
 
There are public and private universities as well, if you attend a public university (as I do) then the Government (well, the citizens with their taxes) pay about 90% of the costs (or that's what I was told when I was in my last high school year). The price you pay in the end is about 500-1000 euros a year, it depends on the subjects you study.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote vulkan02 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jul-2007 at 20:20
Originally posted by kasper

500 euros?! In the US, a semester at a decent university costs about $10,000 or more.


A state or city college/university is still decent and is less than that(if you don't dorm) per year but yeah, its very sad to see what a business the education has become like everything else in the US.
And for what it...it doesn't necessarily guarantee you a decent job anymore..


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kevin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Jul-2007 at 16:44
Originally posted by vulkan02

Originally posted by kasper

500 euros?! In the US, a semester at a decent university costs about $10,000 or more.


A state or city college/university is still decent and is less than that(if you don't dorm) per year but yeah, its very sad to see what a business the education has become like everything else in the US.
And for what it...it doesn't necessarily guarantee you a decent job anymore..
 
It depends where you go,There are many universities in the US were you can go and get both an affordable tuition and a good education. 


Edited by Kevin - 12-Jul-2007 at 16:45
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