History Community ~ All Empires Homepage


This is the Archive on WORLD Historia, the old original forum.

 You cannot post here - you can only read.

 

Here is the link to the new forum:

  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Forum LockedDoes Vegetarianism have any future ?

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234>
Author
maqsad View Drop Down
General
General
Avatar

Joined: 25-Aug-2006
Status: Offline
Points: 928
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote maqsad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2006 at 15:01
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma Vivek Sharma wrote:

In reality Halal is not about three seconds. You may kill small chicken with a swift cut off a knofe. But its not possible to kill other animals this way. Besides, they still retain their senses for mch longer than 3 seconds. & they are gradually cut while they are still alive. Go to any hallal abattoire & you will see for yourself.

Tell me how many persons will be able to kill strong or big cattle, camels, goats etc... with one swift cut of a knife ?


Let me put this another way. What is the least painless way of committing suicide? Slashing wrists. The only pain is the sharp twinge when you cut the arteries. Then the blood just drains and you go to sleep...

That is exactly how halal slaughter is performed. The animal is not in hellfire when you see them twitching. Its not pain that makes them twitch but just adrenaline when the slaughter isn't done right(which 99% of the time it isnt cuz the people that do it dunno the real point). So as you can see, the cutting of the carotid artery is just to put the animal to sleep similar to how the suicidals put themselves painlessly to sleep.
Back to Top
Chilbudios View Drop Down
Arch Duke
Arch Duke
Avatar

Joined: 11-May-2006
Status: Offline
Points: 1900
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chilbudios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2006 at 15:51
Quote Many cultures throughout the world rely on eating raw meat. Sushi anyone?
I ate raw fish, lamb and beef. The former two I don't remember very well (certainly they weren't bad but not that good to imprint in my memory), but I often have beef slightly cooked (inside is raw) and it's just delicious Smile
Back to Top
Desimir View Drop Down
Arch Duke
Arch Duke
Avatar

Joined: 13-Sep-2006
Location: Bulgaria
Status: Offline
Points: 265
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Desimir Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2006 at 16:32
Vegetarianism - total buls..it.Thanks to the meat our brains grew bigger and we become humans.I dont want your grass ,just give me a huge,warm cut of pork meat.This is the the life,dont run from it you herbivorous creatures.
Back to Top
Loknar View Drop Down
Immortal Guard
Immortal Guard
Avatar

Joined: 09-Jun-2005
Location: Somalia
Status: Offline
Points: 666
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Loknar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2006 at 17:04
When your family has a history of heart disease come talk to me . Too much meat is bad for you.
 
What was the average life span of the hunter-gatherer?
Back to Top
Kalevipoeg View Drop Down
Chieftain
Chieftain
Avatar

Joined: 06-Aug-2004
Location: Estonia
Status: Offline
Points: 1465
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kalevipoeg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2006 at 17:21

But eating meat in general is good and healthy.

There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible than a man in the depths of an ether binge...
Back to Top
Adalwolf View Drop Down
Chieftain
Chieftain
Avatar

Joined: 08-Sep-2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1232
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Adalwolf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2006 at 20:47
Meat is the best part of EVERY meal. I don't consider a meal good unless meat is present. To hell with heart disease! I'd rather have a semi-short, happy, meat filled life than a long, depressing, vegetarian life. Besides, vegetables are discusting. I only eat enough so that I don't become deficient in some nutrients. Give me a nice, large, juicy steak cooked on a charcoal grill...mmm...my mouth waters at the thought!

EAT MEAT! EAT MEAT! EAT MEAT! DOWN WITH VEGETABLES!
Back to Top
Seko View Drop Down
Administrator
Administrator
Avatar
Superfluous Enabler of Sekostan

Joined: 01-Sep-2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 8682
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Seko Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2006 at 21:06
Dang! You sound like one hungry carnivore. Come to think about it, a nice 16oz porterhouse does sound pretty good about now.
    

Edited by Seko - 18-Sep-2006 at 21:08
Copyright 2004 Seko
Back to Top
Loknar View Drop Down
Immortal Guard
Immortal Guard
Avatar

Joined: 09-Jun-2005
Location: Somalia
Status: Offline
Points: 666
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Loknar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Sep-2006 at 10:56
Quote

But eating meat in general is good and healthy.

Depends on the meat. Meat like pork and chicken is probably good for you on some level. But red meat really is not (well too much isnt good for you).
 
Americans consume so much red meat throughout their lives. Why do you think heart disease is so prevelent here?
Back to Top
red clay View Drop Down
Caliph
Caliph

Tomato Master Emeritus

Joined: 14-Jan-2006
Status: Offline
Points: 2963
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Sep-2006 at 18:10
Originally posted by JanusRook JanusRook wrote:

Quote
The theory that our brains began to get bigger by eating meat, [availability of excess protein] ignores the fact that there are plants that contain as much, or more, protein as meat. 
 
Are these plants readily available in an ethiopian swamp marsh?
 
Quote
P.S. Does anyone like veal or lamb?  I do, but most of the other people I know don't.  Maybe it's just me, or it might be just that most Americans favor chicken and beef, and aren't adventurous enough when it comes to which form of animal flesh they'll eat.
 
I enjoy those sinful meats. I think I also enjoy it on some kind of dominance level, maybe I'm an animal sadist? Confused
 
 
The types of plants I am referring to are available [and were in distant times as well] in almost any environment on the planet.  Granted that many would be described as "survival food" most are fairly tasty.  Something that drives me nuts is to see someone who, being interviewed
by the media, is complaining that his family, for what ever reason, can't get enough to eat, and he is stating this, standing in an open area, surrounded by food!
BTW- I am not a vegetarian, I don't eat much red meat because it doesn't agree with me.  However, Sausage Gravy and Biscuits..........Big smile


Edited by red clay - 19-Sep-2006 at 18:11
Back to Top
Dawn View Drop Down
Administrator
Administrator
Avatar
Valkyrie

Joined: 02-Aug-2004
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 3161
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dawn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Sep-2006 at 19:20
Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Herbivores.

More or less. You can get all the required nutrients you need from vegitables and products such as eggs, milk, cheese etc. Vegan's lack a necessary chemical (can't remember which) in their diet and have to take suppliments unless they have a typical indian diet which includes many fermented products that contain that chemical.
 
Humans where intended to be omnivores= eating both.  The human body requires 8 essential amino acids which comes from meat red or white. legumes and nut only suply 6. You must add Milk or milk products (fermented soy pruducts may contian them I would have to check to be sure) To get the other 2, hence a peanut butter sand and a glass of milk will supply complete protein.  Eggs on the other hand are called the perfect protein with good reason, they supply all 8 aminos plus other trace elements required to sustain the human body and if taken in limeted supply (3-5 per week)cause no harm but....... they are nothing but imature meat products and are unacceptable to many vegans.  


Edited by Dawn - 19-Sep-2006 at 19:22
Back to Top
flyingzone View Drop Down
Samurai
Samurai
Avatar

Joined: 11-Dec-2005
Status: Offline
Points: 2635
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote flyingzone Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Sep-2006 at 20:45
Dawn, it is good to know that it's OK to eat 3-5 eggs per week because that's about the number of eggs I eat per week.
 
There was a period when I was working out intensely, and my trainer told me to eat FIVE eggs per DAY (without the yolk, though). I did. I did gain a huge amount of weight (muscle mass) that I am still keeping. But I also took protein supplements on top of the eggwhite. So I don't know whether my weight gain was due to the eggwhite or the protein supplement ....
 
Sorry about this off-topic remark. Embarrassed
Back to Top
Dawn View Drop Down
Administrator
Administrator
Avatar
Valkyrie

Joined: 02-Aug-2004
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 3161
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dawn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Sep-2006 at 21:27
I'm sorry too for off toppic but I must add:

It was probably a combination of both egg white and protien supplament. The reason for the white without the yolk is the white is quite high in protien but does not have the fat and cholesteral and calories of the yolk hense eating five whites a day would do no harm but would get pretty boring Wink
Back to Top
Vivek Sharma View Drop Down
Samurai
Samurai
Avatar

Joined: 22-Aug-2006
Status: Offline
Points: 1776
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Sep-2006 at 02:14
Originally posted by maqsad maqsad wrote:

Originally posted by Vivek Sharma Vivek Sharma wrote:

In reality Halal is not about three seconds. You may kill small chicken with a swift cut off a knofe. But its not possible to kill other animals this way. Besides, they still retain their senses for mch longer than 3 seconds. & they are gradually cut while they are still alive. Go to any hallal abattoire & you will see for yourself.

Tell me how many persons will be able to kill strong or big cattle, camels, goats etc... with one swift cut of a knife ?


Let me put this another way. What is the least painless way of committing suicide? Slashing wrists. The only pain is the sharp twinge when you cut the arteries. Then the blood just drains and you go to sleep...

That is exactly how halal slaughter is performed. The animal is not in hellfire when you see them twitching. Its not pain that makes them twitch but just adrenaline when the slaughter isn't done right(which 99% of the time it isnt cuz the people that do it dunno the real point). So as you can see, the cutting of the carotid artery is just to put the animal to sleep similar to how the suicidals put themselves painlessly to sleep.



Slashing a wrist is the most painfull way to sucide. because it is slow death. Every minute you know that you are going to die, but dont even die always. Most of the times a sucide by slashin g the wrist ends in the person not dying because he cannot bear the pain.

Same is true for halal also . for an experiment take a knife and try to cut your hand in slow rythemic movements. If you feel the pain go & make a fast  cut in a split second. You will see the  difference that matters to the animal.
Back to Top
Omar al Hashim View Drop Down
Immortal Guard
Immortal Guard
Avatar

Joined: 05-Jan-2006
Location: Snowy-Highlands
Status: Offline
Points: 5725
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Sep-2006 at 05:42
Quote
Slashing a wrist is the most painfull way to sucide. because it is slow death. Every minute you know that you are going to die, but dont even die always. Most of the times a sucide by slashin g the wrist ends in the person not dying because he cannot bear the pain.

You know this from personal experience I assume?
"O Byzantines! If success is your desire and if you seek right guidance and want your empire to remain then give the pledge to this Prophet"
~ Heraclius, Roman Emperor
Back to Top
Vivek Sharma View Drop Down
Samurai
Samurai
Avatar

Joined: 22-Aug-2006
Status: Offline
Points: 1776
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Sep-2006 at 05:55
Yes, in an experiment, I slashed the wrists of some persons & they found it to be extremely painfull, said it would have been better to die than this pain.
I documented the findings & presented the same theory here.


Edited by Vivek Sharma - 20-Sep-2006 at 05:58
Back to Top
Vivek Sharma View Drop Down
Samurai
Samurai
Avatar

Joined: 22-Aug-2006
Status: Offline
Points: 1776
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Sep-2006 at 05:57
Do you remember newton's laws of motion ? I remembered one while replying to your comment / query.
Back to Top
Kalevipoeg View Drop Down
Chieftain
Chieftain
Avatar

Joined: 06-Aug-2004
Location: Estonia
Status: Offline
Points: 1465
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kalevipoeg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Sep-2006 at 05:57
An off-topic question on eggs as it came up already. I hope nobody feels distrubed by this.
 
How are eggs cooked best so they would keep their protein level. Frying always destroys some important nutritious elements i have understood. I personally boil 2 eggs at a time and eat them with some salt. Is boiling better than fried, i suppose it is so from common logic, but how much.
There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible than a man in the depths of an ether binge...
Back to Top
Vivek Sharma View Drop Down
Samurai
Samurai
Avatar

Joined: 22-Aug-2006
Status: Offline
Points: 1776
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Sep-2006 at 06:01
In India I have seen persons breaking an egg, mixing it raw with hot milk & drinking it. They say it is the most nutritious way to have an egg.
Back to Top
Cywr View Drop Down
King
King
Avatar
Retired AE Moderator

Joined: 03-Aug-2004
Status: Offline
Points: 5952
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Sep-2006 at 08:25
Thats more of a macho 'puts hair on your chest' type thing over here, well at least we know now why Indian men can be quite hairy.

There is truth in the claim though, cooking can damage the structure of proteins IIRC.
Your main worry is salmonella, but chickens can be vaccinated against that.
Arrrgh!!"
Back to Top
Dawn View Drop Down
Administrator
Administrator
Avatar
Valkyrie

Joined: 02-Aug-2004
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 3161
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dawn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Sep-2006 at 10:06
High heat and/or  long cooking times damage the protiens so any way of cooking them where you get no brown and the yolk is still soft or just firm is fine. Frying adds extra fat to the mix so boiling or poaching is wiser if you are watching your fat intake.   
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.10
Copyright ©2001-2017 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.063 seconds.