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    Posted: 17-Aug-2007 at 02:41
to this day there is no full evidence, but did he?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Aster Thrax Eupator Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Aug-2007 at 03:04
Well, not him. But one of his sucessors, Guyuk Khan got to indochina, so I wouldn't be suprised if at least SOME of the Indian subcontinent was among the conquest. I shouldn't think the whole thing.
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He devastated the Pakistan region chasing Jalaluddin of the Khwarzim Shah.

Not any of his successors or commanders, Genghis Khan personally.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Aster Thrax Eupator Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Aug-2007 at 05:25
Oh! I thought that Genghis was more concerned with Europe and the middle east. Who was the Khan (I think one of Genghis's grandchildren...) who was defeated by the Mameluks who were using the same military tactics?
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Hulugu Khan.
Genghis Khan never made it to Europe, his expansion was over central asia, persia and china.
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Potohar region was so devastated by old Changiz, that it became a wasteland for centuries, after supporting centers of learning like Sirkap and Taxila for millenia. When Islamabad was built circa 1960, it was estimated that the population of the area was perhaps a tenth of pre-Genghis times. He did such as professional job on the canals and irrigation system, that to this day Islamabad has a water shortage, depsite literally billions spent on it.

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When Genghis Khan died, he still havent taken control of all of China. The Southern Song was still alive and still fighting against the Mongols so if China was not subdue yet then Genghis Khan couldnt have move into India.
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The Southern Song was still alive and still fighting against the Mongols so if China was not subdue yet then Genghis Khan couldnt have move into India.
After the Southern Song were defeated the Mongols still couldn't move into India. Thanks largely to the work of Allahuddin Khilji of Delhi
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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

The Southern Song was still alive and still fighting against the Mongols so if China was not subdue yet then Genghis Khan couldnt have move into India.
After the Southern Song were defeated the Mongols still couldn't move into India. Thanks largely to the work of Allahuddin Khilji of Delhi

But that was resolved by the Timurids that established the Mughal Dynasty.
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No he did not attack India, mainly because China and other nearby regions were still to be conquered.
 
 
Is not it interesting that Chingis Han who was savage and ruthless against the North Chinese peoples was so lenient to a settled Turkic state like Khwarizm That he attacked them only when they beheaded his contingent and did every foolish act to provoke the Han? It is a shameful history as to how Muhammad Shah and then his son Jalaluddeen kept fleeing from the Turkic-Mongol  hordes. Jalauddeen even destroyed Georgia in those times to prove that if one cannot fight the mightier, it has every right to destroy the weaker. 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sparten Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2007 at 11:44
How did I forget about this.
 
He came to S Asia and the modern states of India, pakistan and Afghanistan,
 
The territoys he controlled
 
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And the places he visted in his little trip

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote dud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jan-2009 at 18:08
It is unlikely that Genghis/Chinggis Khan invaded India, but Mongol invasions did hit India, which was then unified under the Delhi Sultanate. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jan-2009 at 01:23
No Mongol invasion reached further than Delhi, most were defeated or turned around in the Punjab. The middle Delhi Sultanate spent most of its time fighting against mongol invasions. Genghis himself invaded the Northern Pakistan region but never had the intention of consolidating his conquest (neither did the early raids just after his death).

Much later Timur captured and destroyed Delhi. Severely weakening the already old Delhi Sultanate, but then he left and went back to central asia. Not consolidating his conquest either. A few hundred years later Babur captured Delhi and his descendants proceeded to build the Mughal Empire; but I do not consider Babur's empire to have any connection to Genghis's.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bernard Woolley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jan-2009 at 02:07
As Sparten and Omar said, Genghis Khan invaded India. In spring-summer 1221 he chased Sultan Jalal-ad-Din to the Indus river and destroyed the last of the Sultan's forces there (although Jalal-ad-Din himself escaped). He then thoroughly pillaged a number of cities and crossed back over the mountains once he was satisfied that no opposition would come from this border.
 
There's more than enough evidence that this happened, on what basis does anyone doubt it?
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Changhiz Khan had lost his son in Parvan province of Afghanistan where there was a battle fought between Sultan Jalaluddin and his son Shegi kutuku. The Mongol army was defeated by the allied force of Turks, Persians and Afghans. When there was the booty being divided, the Iranian chief was hit with a whip by the Turkish commander in the quarrel to own the nice horse of the slain Mongol chief. Then on becoming angry the Iranians broke away from the alliance and then Afghans and having only accompanied by few hundred Turks the Sultan rushed to India where on the bank of Indus the Turks fought to death the mighty force of Changhis and Sultan plunged into the water and got through tht swimming alongwith his horse. Changhiz Khan seeing this turned to his sons and said to them. " Look at him! A father needs a son like him. How will one sleep in peace while an enemy like him lives on the face of earth'.
At that time India was ruled by a simple and just Turkish ruler Shamsuddin Iltutmush. He has been credited being the wise man to make his country escape the Mongol savage. The envoy of Changiz sent to India was honoured and well received by him and were returned with gifts for the Khaqan. The envoy returned make Changiz Khan satisfied to return from the other side of Indus. Some say that the discipline and strength of the army of Iltutmush made the Great Khan reluctant to attack but seems that the better treatment, simpler and courteous manner and the unity and discipline all made the Khaqan so impressed to return not attacking his domain. Shamsuddin Iltutmush was a simple Muslim and there was no pomp and show in his court, the common people were equally well treated which might have attracted the simple minded Mongol.


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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

A few hundred years later Babur captured Delhi and his descendants proceeded to build the Mughal Empire; but I do not consider Babur's empire to have any connection to Genghis's.


but if you considder Temür as Mongol invader then you also have to include Babur.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jan-2009 at 19:15
Originally posted by Bernard Woolley

 
There's more than enough evidence that this happened, on what basis does anyone doubt it?
 
Really? I've never heard of this. What is the proof?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jan-2009 at 20:06
the battle of the Indus River where Chinggis defeated Jallal-ud-Din is rather well known.
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Originally posted by Temujin

the battle of the Indus River where Chinggis defeated Jallal-ud-Din is rather well known.


Good information.  Do we know in which present area did this battle take place, towns or cities?
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