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    Posted: 17-Jul-2006 at 15:02
How time flies.........I still can vividly remember the good old days when Germany was divided in two states and the DDR collected all the medals for women's shot-putting at Olympic Games....still can recall the astounding images of the Berlin Wall coming down in 1989 as were it yesterday.....and now the first museum, entirely dedicated to the culture of the former East-Germany has opened in Berlin.
One should applaud the effort to preserve the unique contributions that the DDR made to human culture, the "Wartburg" the first fully functioning car made entirely from card-board box and rubber bands, or the creation of the "winged year's end figure", the socialist substitution of the taditional German Christmas angel, to name only a few.
 
What do you, who are old enough, remember most of the good old DDR, the good things (see above) and the bad?
 
 
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I'm too young I guess, as all I remember is the fall of the Wall. I was 8, and I remember my parents putting us in front of the telly, ordering us to watch. They said we (me and my siblings) would be grateful later on.
 
We had no idea what was going on, we just saw people dancing on a concrete wall, but they were right. I do remember those images, and now that I know how important an event it was, I am grateful they made me watch...
 
I've lived in Berlin for 2 months, and I saw there what mus be the ugliest building in the world. It is the Volkspalast on the Lustgarten. For me, this hideous piece of concrete, marble and golden-tinted windows is absolutely the thing which most accurately represents the DDR in my mind.

Women hold their councils of war in kitchens: the knives are there, and the cups of coffee, and the towels to dry the tears.
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The one image that came to mind when I started reading post was the East German Womens Swim team, sitting in their swimsuits looking like the defensive line of the Chicago Bears, complete with facial hair, as the DDR rep. denied the reports that the swimmers had been taking male hormones. LOL
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For some reason I always remember muscular women with deep voices winning everything in olympic games. I remember a special on there training facility though and was really nice. If you were a athelete in the DDR you got taken care of nicely

I remember when the wall came down in H.S. and my social studies teacher said it was the biggest event in her/our lifetime. Of course we were young and dumb and thought she was smoking plastic.
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Originally posted by Gundamor Gundamor wrote:

For some reason I always remember muscular women with deep voices winning everything in olympic games. I remember a special on there training facility though and was really nice. If you were a athelete in the DDR you got taken care of nicely

I remember when the wall came down in H.S. and my social studies teacher said it was the biggest event in her/our lifetime. Of course we were young and dumb and thought she was smoking plastic.
 
 
I was in HS when the wall went up, Watching the wall come down was something I didn't think would ever happen.  I remember seeing a DDR Officer, standing behind the wall with his hat off, tears streaming down his cheeks as the crowd broke open the wall. 
 
 
 
 


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That is great.I remember seeing a documentary on National Hellenic t.v. about how Germans who lived in DDR fell about the unification and how do they find their life in the Unified Germany.It was 3 a.m if i remember correctly.
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In 1982 I took a student tour of Europe. One day we bused from West Germany to Berlin. Driving through the DDR was a non event. No troubles. Took a picture at Check Point Charlie and flipped off an east German guard on the other side (oh the vigor and arrogance of my earlier years). Never thought that wall would come down in my lifetime. Smile

In 1976 a young East German olympic veteran broke all kinds of records in her sport. With vigorous training the one and only Kornelia Ender took four gold medals at the 1976 Montreal summer games. Found out later that she was helped by the miracles of modern science (steroids) to further her goal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kornelia_Ender She was a machine. Broad shoulders and arms as big as Arnold's. As dedication in her honor I suggest that the museum attain her swimsuit and put it up for display along with a couple of syringes.
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Originally posted by Komnenos Komnenos wrote:

..., the "Wartburg" the first fully functioning car made entirely from card-board box and rubber bands,
 
Man, the Wartburg is nothing compared to the Trabant. Are they still roaming in Germany? We still have a lot of them and their owners are very proud of their contraptions. There were lots of jokes when the Trabants were around. I'll give you one: "There's a new sect in Bucharest. The sect of Trabant owners. What is their belief? They believe they own a car."
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Didn't the Wartburg actually have a metal carriage? I remember the "Duroplast"-carriage of the Trabant being described as some kind of progress over traditional materials, but never in connection with the Wartburg.

 
That about 1 in 50 citizens was a Stasi associate was quite a peculiarity as well.


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One should watch the german movie that bears the name '' Good-Bye Lenin''.... Wink
 
I was just 6 years when Die Deutsche Einheit took place...what I remember about DDR is the time when Turkish national football team defeated DDR 2-0 and everyone took to the streets....yeah that scene is still in front of my eyes...I suppose I have a historian memory.Tongue


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will you both find  at the museum ? otherwise it's incomplete..

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There are many things about the DDR that we need to remember, including the fact that the reunification of Germany was possibly one of the gravest tragedies of modern history!

We all know the bad things about the DDR, i mean any 6 year old that ever went to school in Germany can name about a hundred of them! So lets look at some 40 years of achievement! For example, East German public welfare was one of the most comprehensive, innovative and undiscriminating systems in the world. Anything to do with education and children (including Kindergarten and childcare) was free. No one ever had to hunger either as the BASICS for survival were ALWAYS guaranteed. Furthermore, the republic had a formidable record of achievement in science and academia, to the extend that the West Germans were struggling to compete. Numerous nobel prizes are testimony of this and as I have said earlier, no Russian space mission would ever have made it off the ground withou East German know-how.

The longevity and quality of East German academia and education is still evident today! East German trained doctors, for example, keep Cuban medical schools and the Cuban health system running to this day! Not to mention the numerous other development and aid programs the East Germans had.

Note also needs to be taken of the enduring social homogeneity of East German society. From early childhood on, citizens were members of the common youth society, military service, the party and unions. Such homogeneity can only be in Israel today.

The fact that this coutry was abruptly erased from existence is indeed a shame! I believe the East Germans had what it took and should have been given the opportunity to conduct their own country. After 40 years of Academic, Social and Sporting (!!) achievement, the nation was indeed as independent from Germany as Austria is today! Yes, East Germany had many shortcomings but the nation was only young and had a lot going for itself. And in any case, an origin or foundation in socialism is a good start for any new country (again, ie Israel).

Thus I can understand the surge in nostalgia amongst east Germans in recent years. They find it still difficult to adjust to West German culture as, lets face it, absolutely NOTHING from East Germany was retained! Every institution, system, product, thing, idea, achievement, etc was wiped away as inferior by some West German beaurocrat! Many thousands of East Germans labored their entire life to make the young nation their home and many even won awards, which became worthless pieces of metal after October 1990. I can undertsand their frustration.

I think it is a shame that the DDR was wiped off as it was as it and its citizens deserved better. They were an independent nation with their own identity and list of achievements and it is about time the world recognizes this fact. It is about time we learn a lesson in history from the DDR experiment and recognize and remember it for its upsides rather than trumpet its failings.
    

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Originally posted by gideons_helpers gideons_helpers wrote:

 
There are many things about the DDR that we need to remember, including the fact that the reunification of Germany was possibly one of the gravest tragedies of modern history! .....

 
I agree with you on most you have said about the undoubtable achievements of the DDR, especially in the education and healthcare sector.
However, it is difficult to judge if the efforts to provide the population with the basic provisions, was made out of genuine interest of the leadership of the DDR for its people, or out of the necessities to keep the "socialist" economy and therefore the "socialist society" alive. The above mentioned excellent childcare provisions in the DDR are a case in point: The chronic lack of workforce in the DDR meant that women had to be fully integrated in the production, therefore free and widely available childcare was a pre-requisite. Or the excellent academic facilities the DDR established relatively early was a result of the necessity to counteract the "brain-drain" of highly skilled and educated professionals into the West, which of course was also the main reason for the building of the Berlin Wall and other border fortifications.
You are further right, that the population of the DDR established a community coherence, that was lacking in the West, and is now in the re-united Germany. But again, it is the question if this the result of an attempt to build an egalitarian homogenous society, or rather was a defensive reaction to the pressures of a authoritarian regime with a mismanaged economy.
And amongst all this accolade for the old DDR one shouldn'y forget that the society was ruled by a dictatorial party regime with some extremely nasty and unpleasant habits.
I think what you have found to be the good sides of the old DDR, were not achieved because of, but despite of the Stalinist bureaucracy.
However, some of the aspects of the old DDR deserved to be preserved, and not to be subjected to the greed and ruthlessness of the take-over by West-German capitalism and government that eventually happened. The Stalinist regime that brought the DDR to the state of collapse, however, was deservedly thrown on the famous dustbin of history. It is the fault of the SED regime as well that it did not create any institutions of the civil society that would have been capable to show some resistance to the take-over and some capability to rule the affairs of a post-SED DDR itself.


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Originally posted by gideons_helpers gideons_helpers wrote:

No one ever had to hunger either as the BASICS for survival were ALWAYS guaranteed.
    

[sarcasm]Unlike the Federal Republic of Germany, where millions of people died becaus of famine.[/sarcasm]

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please stand up.........eyes to the left........http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/sound/Nachkriegsjahre_audioHymneDDR/index.ram

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Originally posted by Mixcoatl Mixcoatl wrote:

Originally posted by gideons_helpers gideons_helpers wrote:

No one ever had to hunger either as the BASICS for survival were ALWAYS guaranteed.
    

[sarcasm]Unlike the Federal Republic of Germany, where millions of people died becaus of famine.[/sarcasm]

 
Maybe gideon is just joking. At least he fails to give the other contemporary examply for strong social unity, North Korea.
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