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Poll Question: which do you believe is right and why
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Originally posted by beorna beorna wrote:

I told you, there are living formes that don't need a duality. I asked you why male human beings have nipples. No answer.  All we hear from you is pseudo-intellectual, pseudo-scientific twaddle. If you want to believe, believe, believe in JHW, n Allah, in Amaterasu, Shiva, Cali or the devil. But stay away from science. We want to know.Angry
 
Which living form is not based on a duality, and how is this connected to nipples? I ask you to first state whether you are talking about a finite or infinite universe - no answer. This is a vital factor, because in a finite situation, you have to explain if the universe began by one single entity and explain it.
 
Nor can you dismiss this based on a generic negation of all religions - all religious scriptures do not state the universe is finite: only ONE does.
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Originally posted by beorna beorna wrote:

What objective standpoint? Your not talking about IamJoseph, don't you? No scientist is just using one source. He and all the other creationists are just using the bible, the torah, the koran, nothing else. If you call the creationist statements here in this thread objective I have to wonder.

 
Not at all - I can match all your science with equal scientific veracity. My responses are fully and totally based on science. You are deflecting by using a generic paranoic responsa to it - not very scientific!
 
 
 
Quote  That's the problem. If you can convince me of creationism with objective arguments, I'll regret.
 
Firstly, only one religious document introduced Creationism and Monotheism. You are acting as if there is a scientific alternative to them - what is that?  Generic negation does not constitute science or a scientific response.
 
The fact is, the best of state of art science does not and cannot posit any alternative scenario to Creation or Monotheism. Parallel and Multi Uni's are a violation of the finite factor. This is contrasted by a small but real scientists supporting Creationism and Monotheism. E.g. Newton, Einstein, and recently a die-hard anti-creationist called Roger Primrose who made the admission: 'A COMPLEXITY MUST HAVE A TRANSCENDENT COMPLEX SOURCE AT ITS FOUNDATION' - aka the scientific premise of Genesis, CAUSE AND EFFECT, as opposed the random conclusion of complexity via random accumulations.
 
This means that YOU, not I, have to evidence a scientific alternative to Creationism. And you have to do this without resting your response on all religions are myth, but posit scientific alternate scenarios. I have not seen this - did I miss something?
 
 
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I see you're banned but perhaps you go on reading. I can't say whether the universe is finite or infinite. Nobody knows. I studied history and geography, I am interested in Astronomy but I can give you an answer. as far as I can see no scientist can give you an answer. There are different schools of scientists and ideas but nobody knows.
In my world  gods do not come down to earth, virgins don't got children, man die and stay dead and they neither walk on water nor change water to wine. There are so many mistakes in the bible, I can not imagine that there was a god who inspirited writers to write the bible down. I agree, it is very interesting how the first seven days give an idea of the creation of the world.  But perhaps they thought god just saved the best for the last. Perhaps the writers of the bible (I allways include Thora and Koran) were scientist in their times, but if we look to Josua in front of Jericho, he led the sun stand still. So can we really say they knew about the origin of the universe, if they didn't know something about the solar system?
Believe what ever you want, but if you want to be a scientist then you have to learn to ask questions that perhaps destroy your view of the world. This is the greatest danger in science. We have a beautiful, wonderful picture in our head of something and then we must realize, all we supposed was nonsense. You believe in a god who created everything, space, time, all living forms, emotions, free will - but then you paint a picture of an old man who is quite as human as we are, who kills, commits murder and a lot more. A god who is torturing the ones that adore him and on, and on..... Do you really believe a god above or far beyond all rules, all imaginations is like the god of the bible?
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