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    Posted: 03-Jun-2006 at 18:38

My computers on it's last legs, groans when I turn it on and switches itself off wthout being asked, frequently. So I've decided it's time to get a new one.

However one thing strange, computer chips speeds. I haven't looked at new computers for a long time, so I was expecting something different.
 
The first computer I bought was 77 mhz, over the next couple of years I watched speeds double and treble and a few years later I bought a 400 mhz. Again I kept reading the ads, watching Pentium 2's and 3's appear, chips double and redouble and in a few short years upgraded to my current machine 1700 mhz. That was four years ago, so expecting chips to be at least 8-9000 mgz I wandered into my local PC shop today and not only found 1700 mhz chips still around in cheaper models the more expensive computers had a wimpish 3000 mhz at best.
 
So what's up with chip speeds these days?
 


Edited by Paul - 03-Jun-2006 at 18:40
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jsut an FYI.....a 2.0 ghz 32bit processor is not the same speed-wise as a 2.0ghz 64 bit processor. This confuses alot of people. the new 64 bit chips are quite superior to 32 bit ones (The new windows is going to be 64 bit, though a 32 bit version will also be offered).

for example, i have a 2.41 ghz 64bit AMD processor. My chip is wildly superior to a P4 3.0 ghz that is only a 32bit processor.

the GHZ of a processor is definitely not the the only factor to look at. you're gonna want to take other things into account such as dual-core CPUs, hyperthreading, and the type of chip (Athlon, Duron, P4, Celeron, Centrino, etc..)

Also, you are going to be dealing with different technology and needs depending on whether you are looking at a desktop PC or a Laptop.


Also, don't just look at the speed of a chip. pay attention to how much L2 cache it has, and what it's FSB (front-side bus) speed is. Though, this isn't a huge issue anymore, the socket-type of the chip is something that should be noted. Some sockets have heating issues. AMD had a big issue a while back with their socket 734 chips running too hot.

-just make sure that when you get a computer that the chip is 64bit. Most applications in the near future are going to be written for 64 bit chips (some apps are exclusively 64 bit even now)


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Moore's law predicts that the compexity and capability of intergrated circuit will double every 2 years (contrary to popular believe, he never said 18 months, even though some teachers teach that). This takes into account cost as well.
Not that that helps much, but i guess if you took the number of years since you bought your last computer, and divided it by two, then that is the multiplyer for the capabilities of the computer you should aim to buy to replace your old machine by today's equivilent.
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Originally posted by Illuminati Illuminati wrote:

jsut an FYI.....a 2.0 ghz 32bit processor is not the same speed-wise as a 2.0ghz 64 bit processor. This confuses alot of people. the new 64 bit chips are quite superior to 32 bit ones (The new windows is going to be 64 bit, though a 32 bit version will also be offered).

for example, i have a 2.41 ghz 64bit AMD processor. My chip is wildly superior to a P4 3.0 ghz that is only a 32bit processor.

the GHZ of a processor is definitely not the the only factor to look at. you're gonna want to take other things into account such as dual-core CPUs, hyperthreading, and the type of chip (Athlon, Duron, P4, Celeron, Centrino, etc..)

Also, you are going to be dealing with different technology and needs depending on whether you are looking at a desktop PC or a Laptop.


Also, don't just look at the speed of a chip. pay attention to how much L2 cache it has, and what it's FSB (front-side bus) speed is. Though, this isn't a huge issue anymore, the socket-type of the chip is something that should be noted. Some sockets have heating issues. AMD had a big issue a while back with their socket 734 chips running too hot.

-just make sure that when you get a computer that the chip is 64bit. Most applications in the near future are going to be written for 64 bit chips (some apps are exclusively 64 bit even now)
 
A very good advice indeed, ther is way much difference between 32 and 64 bit computers just think yourself, "Will a computer exchanging 32 bit of data on data buses run faster than a computer exchanging 64 bit?"
For sure the answer would be no.
The other fact you should consider is that don't be fooled with new processors claiming 3.0 GHz or 3.06 GHz or what so ever because most of them are over-clocked meaning the real speed of them are also around 2.4-2.6 GHz.
So the best option is go for AMD's Athlon processor not only that it will run faster but also you will have a new touch to computer (I mean once you start using 64Bit).
 
 


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You might want to check out the minimum requirements for Windows Vista too, if you plan on using that operating system, word has it its insanely high compared to XP.
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And in 1981, mr. Microsoft himself, Bill Gates said about the new
PC XT, 4.7 Mhz, 32kb RAM, 
that no-one would ever need a more powerfull computer.
 
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Clive Sinclair said the same about the 16k Spectrum.
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A Windows Vista Capable PC includes at least:

  • A modern processor (at least 800MHz1).
  • 512 MB of system memory.
  • A graphics processor that is DirectX 9 capable.

Windows Vista Premium Ready PCs
To get an even better Windows Vista experience, including the Windows Aero user experience, ask for a Windows Vista Capable PC that is designated Premium Ready, or choose a PC that meets or exceeds the Premium Ready requirements described below. Features available in specific premium editions of Windows Vista, such as the ability to watch and record live TV, may require additional hardware.

A Windows Vista Premium Ready PC includes at least:

  • 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor.
  • 1 GB of system memory.
  • A graphics processor that runs Windows Aero.
  • 128 MB of graphics memory.
  • 40 GB of hard drive capacity with 15 GB free space.
  • DVD-ROM Drive.
  • Audio output capability.
  • Internet access capability.


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Also, there will be like 5 versions of Vista, each version conveninalty lacking in something the average user might find usefull, effectivly making you buy the most expensive 'ultimate' version.
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A Windows Vista Capable PC includes at least:

  • A modern processor (at least 800MHz1).
  • 512 MB of system memory.
  • A graphics processor that is DirectX 9 capable.

If you are at or neat these specs, don't bother getting vista and stick with XP. I've been playing with Vista beta, and you don't want to be at the bare minimum requirements for a windows OS.

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Unfortunatly, the best games don't work on Linux :(

BTW, you can try the Beta version of Vista by downloading it here - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/preview.mspx

All 3.5 GBs of it Tongue Hope you have a DVD burber handy.


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