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Poll Question: What is the best close combat weapon?
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    Posted: 22-Aug-2005 at 10:31
Which one of weapons would you chose and why?

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Well, it does depend, if you are on a cavalryman, your best choices would be the sabre and halberd. The sabre in my opinion is better than the sword, and the sword better than the dagger. The battle axe not as good as the halberd because of the halberd is longer, the halberd is better than the spear because it has an axe on its side. The spiked flail better than the mace because it is longer. So, out of all I choose the halberd because when it is a spear and axe in one.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote baracuda Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2005 at 17:14
Close combat, and spear doesnt really go together.. anyway my preference is the 'sabre'
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If you got the balls go for the flail.Medieval Ball Battle Mace

 

If you must thrust, use a sword.

If you like to take a swat, a sabre is what you got.

But when you need some distance go for the halberd

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Yeah, good point there Seko. I don't beleive in a "best weapon." I believe that some weapons are good in some situations and some are not.

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As was said, there is no such thing as 'the best weapon'. That is why there are so many weapons to begin with. Each one is used for a certain occasion.

For a heavily armored enemy, the mace or morning star is best. For cavalry melee, where you slash consistently, the saber is best. Of course, the double-edged sword is flexible enough to be used for most occasions. However, polearms are usually used to make sure that there would not be any close-combat fighting.
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The Thracian Rhomphaia and its later evolution, the Falx, are good choices.  The long, powerful blades of these weapons cut through limbs like butter.

It's telling that by the end of the 1st C. AD, some Roman troops in Dacia received arm guards, greaves, and even modified helmets in an attempt to guard against the Rhomphaia/Falx...

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Yeah, the falxes and rhomphaia were pretty good weapons. The rhomphaia I believe was better because you could still carry a shield as compared to the two-handed falx. Yes, the Romans did have to change their armor because of the falx.

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I don't know what's the English word for it, but in Bulgarian it's called yatagan. I supose it's the same in Turkish cuz' it was a Turkish weapon, so our Turkish forumers might be able to help out with the translation. It was an excellent close combat weapon, superior to the swoard and was one of the reasons for the Turks' early military succeses. It was probably the best close combat weapon in Medevil times.
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Here is a page on the Yatagan: http://www.turkishculture.org/weapons/yatagan.html

The yatagans used by janissaries and other infantry soldiers were smaller and lighter than ordinary swords so as not to hinder them when carried at the waist on the march. It is named after the town of Yatagan in southwest Turkey which was conquered by a Seljuk commander and blacksmith named Osman Bey, whose cognomen was Yatagan Baba. Yatagan Baba later settled there, and gave his name not only to the town, but to the famous swords which were produced there. The swords of Yatagan are frequently mentioned in historic books and documents, and confirm oral accounts of the town's history, although yatagans were also made in all the major cities of the Ottoman Empire, particularly Istanbul, Bursa and Plovdiv.

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The Yatagan is very similar to the swords & daggers Afghans still make in Darra, near the border with Afghanistan.  The Grips seem to have the same characteristical shape, and the Yatagan is similar to the swords used by the Ghaznavids.

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Turkish:

Ghaznavid:

 

Afghans have a nack of copying their allies, and their enemies weapons, in crude form, but with the same devestating effect.  Instead of making Enfields and Swords, their now making Magnums, Berettas, AK's, and Sub machine guns.

 

 



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The Lightsaber, what else is there? 



Not trying to spam here, but I find the question impossible to answer. Close-quarters combat in what situation? What time period? Against who?


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Against infantry, short sword.

Against calvary, spear/halbadier/long sword

People with plate armor, a mace.

 

But of course, lighstaber quality is all that times 1000.

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don't underestimate the quarterstaff.
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well if were talking best clost combat weapon i would have to say the tomahawk due to the fact that it was around back when swords and spear and shileds were used as well as musketts and sabres.. but i doubt any of those weapons were used in the 20century other then the tomahawk in an actual war (vietnam) on a large scale, not just a high rankin officer who had one they passed them out to everytroops. in terms of effectivness as an overall weapon. was strong, able to kill enemies with one blow. and it could be thrown an a distance of 30 to 40 feet with deadly accuracy



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Then it isn't actual close combat. I would say a musket with the (whatever the name of the thing was). It would be suited for cavalry, infantry and others.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Decebal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Sep-2005 at 12:53

We had a discussion a while ago, about the best sword:

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3625& ;PN=7

I do believe that the original question is too broad. It really depends on the situation.

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Although the saber is my favorite melee weapon, if I was cavalry or hell, even infantry Id go with the mace.  No worries about being stuck in someone after you use it, no need to keep it sharp, less likely to break, and its blow is much less mitigated by armor than sharp things tend to be.
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Theres one weapon that you will in large quantities, that can be used in close combat and even for ambushes.  This weapon works well in mountain terrain, any thoughts as to what this weapon is?  You guessed it.

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