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    Posted: 06-Feb-2008 at 03:42
Europe spread democracy & their philosophy
 
MesoAmerica spread Native American civilization
 
Iran spread their philosophy (mazdak, mani, zartusht)
 
ME spread 3 religions
 
India spread philsophy (buddhism, hinduism)
 
what did China spread in the world?
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Besides material things like silk, tea, paper, compass, gunpowder, etc. Cultural things are emphasized.
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I think it is better for our Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, South-East Asian friends to answer.
Of course, friends from entire silk-road are welcomed to participate too :)
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Given that run of recommendations Mughal;

China spread their philosophy!
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Which philosophy was that my friends?
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Originally posted by Mughaal Mughaal wrote:

Which philosophy was that my friends?
 
Mainly confucianism, Taoism and zen buddism. confucianism had considerable importance  among the Dietist and other philosophical groups of the enlightenment. Taoism was not widely recoganised until the 17th century, when Decarte wrote" I think therefore i am" people started to pay attention to Taoism, chuang Zhu in particular.
 
In art, it is widely known that traditional Chinese Painting had significant influences on the impressionists.   


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1.)  The Art of War is still studied in all major military institutions.
2.)  Civil service exams (Adopted by Britain in the 1800's)
3.)  Military subserviance to civilian authority
4.)  Confucianism
5.)  Filial Piety
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A few member of the SE Asia forum mentioned Chinese lunar calendar, and i think that's a good one, many countries/regions in the world are still using it.
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There are different lunar calendars.  Not all are derived from the Chinese version.
 
The Enlightenment and related movements had a profound effect on Europe and eventually the world.  It changed people's perceptions about society and government.  Its effect is still felt to this day.  If Chinese thought influenced the Enlightenment, then perhaps it would also indirectly influence the world to a great deal.

What is Native American civilization?

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There is a dinstinct part of the world, called "Sino-centric world." It's essentially based on Chinese way of thinking i.e. Confusianism. Sinocentric world includes Korea, Vietnam and Japan.
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Originally posted by Ozone Ozone wrote:

The Enlightenment and related movements had a profound effect on Europe and eventually the world.  It changed people's perceptions about society and government.  Its effect is still felt to this day.  If Chinese thought influenced the Enlightenment, then perhaps it would also indirectly influence the world to a great deal.
 
that is right in a way, confucius' thoughts did have a significant influence to the world. The work of confucius was tranlated to latin by a jesuit missionary Racci and Prospero Intorcetta, and was widely discussed by enlightenment thinkers at the time. 
 
Confucius was the first the first to propose that man were born good, but he's behavior later on would be affected by the environment he live in. You can find that in many enlightenment thinker's ideas such as Locke. Although confucius was a strong supporter for monarchy, he suggested that the action of the ruler should not be in contrast with what people want, this laid foundation to Rousseau's "general will".
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How come this isnt prevalent in Western Scholarship? I thought these Philosophers Decartes and Rousseau pulled this information out from themselves.
 
Also, wouldnt the Sino-Centric diaspora be considered Chinese Cultural Contribution? For example, the Xioungnu (Hsiung Nu) Khaganate broke apart and pushed multiple North Chinese turkoman and mongol tribes to the West. Some of these people pushed West came to be called Avars, Mongols, Huns, Hepthalites, Kidarites, Etc.
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China contributed with many things to the development of the world. Yes, the most known are paper, printing, the rudder, the magnetic compass and gunpowder, but there are more. They developed the first hydro-mechanical clocks, that probably was the inspiration of Middle Ages mechanical clocks in Europe. They also developed the ecuatorial mounting of telescopes. And, as was mention before, civil servant exams are the model of the admision test for universities, like the GREE.
 
Besides that, in medicine Chineses developed acupuncture and it is very likely they invented vaccination as well, that reached Europe through turkey. And in Mathematics, the Pascal Triangle is supposed to be Chinese in origin.
 
In arts, China spread a style known in the west like "chinosiere" (or something like that ) Which influenced modern art. Theirs music is also appreatiated by professionals.
 
In phylosopy, they developed Taoism, which is one of the most abstract religions that exist, but also interesting knowledge like the I Ching, and practical applications like Feng Shui, and stylistics in arts and caligraphy. Confusionism was also interesting, but haven't had the direct impact of Taoism outside China.
 
If I have to pick a single book from China that resume its contributions I would choose the Tao Te King, of Lao Tse.
 
(Just a diversion, the Americas spread foods (potatoes), raw materials(rubber) and medicines(quinine) to the world, and that is, I believe, their major contributions.
In intellectual contribution the most important is the concept of "Mother Earth" that influenced early ecologists)
 


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

 Confusionism was also interesting, but haven't had the direct impact of Taoism outside China.
 
 
Confucianism, in fact had much more influence on the outside world than Taoism. All the parts of the Sinocentric world did adopt Confusianism as a basis of their civilization. Which we can't say about Taoism for example. In Japan, for example, Taoism is absent and it's role played by Sinto.
 
Korea, Japan and Vietnam have rich tradition of Confucian scholarship and comments to Confucian classics. And a new type of capitalism i.e. "Confucian capitalism" was developed in Japan based on Confucian thinking. Also as was noted above Confucian philosophy had a notable impact on the European scholars of the period on enlightment.
 
Besides that, I also want to point at the Chinese military thought. Suntzi's "Art of War" will remain the classics of military strategy for ever. It summarizes not only the basic principles of warfare and state governance but also such interesting aspects as secret service etc.
 
It's known that the "Art of War" was thoroughly studied by the founders of CIA and KGB.


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Originally posted by Ozone Ozone wrote:

...What is Native American civilization?
 
Good point
There is not a Native American civilization but many. Aztecs, Mayans, Incas, Moches, etc.
I bet he meant, Native Americans contributions, which considers all the civilizations and cultures of pre-Hispanic Americas.
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... Also as was noted above Confucian philosophy had a notable impact on the European scholars of the period on enlightment.
 
 
Good point. I didn't know that but I should have suspected. The impact of China in the Europe of the 17th and 18th centuries was very important.
 
However, although is central in East Asia, the direct Confucian phylosophy didn't influence people of the West with the same popularity and strenght than the I Ching and the Tao Te King. That's what I meant.
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Actually, traditionally, I Jing is believed to be edited and commented by Confucius and it's a part of Confucian "Five Classics" (Wu Jing). Smile
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Originally posted by Mughaal Mughaal wrote:

How come this isnt prevalent in Western Scholarship? I thought these Philosophers Decartes and Rousseau pulled this information out from themselves.


oh i didn t mean direct influence, i was simply saying that chinese philosophy was very polar at the time, in fact it was one of the most popular topic that have been discussed in the salon, surely these philosophers must have encounter Confucius' work at some point of their life. in fact voltaire once called himself the pupil of confucius.

i must admit that i have never seen rousseau's comment on chinese philosophy, and for that i apologize.


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That is what I meant in regards to my asking what is Native American culture.  The Americas were huge and diverse.  It would be an injustice to lump them all together.
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