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    Posted: 19-Apr-2007 at 18:38
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I'm just wondering: Did the British kingdoms that rose after the withdrawal of Rome use pigeons to communicate?
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I can't point to any specific examples where carry pigeons were used by the kingdoms in Britain after the Roman withdrawal, but i don't think it is impossible that they used them for such a purpose. 

The Romans used carry pigeons for communication (which they probably adopted by the Greeks or Egyptians, most probably the former).  Use of the pigeon as a messenger really gained steam in the Empire around the 4th century CE, but was known to be used earlier than that.  Before that Romans used to keep them as pets Tongue


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I'm sure they kept it going when first introduced, thanksThumbs%20Up
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Originally posted by Hope Hope wrote:

I'm sure they kept it going when first introduced, thanksThumbs%20Up


Well, maybe they did and maybe they didn't.  After the Roman withdrawal of Britain, a lot of the specialized skills seemingly disappeared from the island entirely for centuries (including building in mortared stone and brick, factory made pottery, coinage for the most part).  Only in the highest levels of society did many skills such as these survive.  In fact, one prominent archaeologist - Bryan Ward-Perkins out of Oxford university - said that post-Roman Britain looked like prehistoric Britain. 

I would presume training and using homing pigeons for the use of carrying messages would be considered a specialized skill as well, which may have disappeared as well for centuries.  However, it could have been maintained by the nobles as a means of communicating with one another.  In fact, alot of the skills mentioned only returned around 700 CE, or were re-introduced. 
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That was new information, and quite interesting. Could it be due to some Celtic revival? Could "Rather a set back for development than anything Roman" have been a major attitude?

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partially due to a revival of sorts.  When Rome drained Britain of its troops, the locals rose up against the administration and threw many of them off the Island (but some places held onto the Roman officials).  Thus creating a revival of sorts in the local Britain community.  But a few years later, they officially wrote to Generalissimo Aetius for assistance against the Saxon invaders and promised to come back into the Roman fold, but Aetius was combating other threats and declined. 

If your interested, pick up Bryan Ward-Perkins book The Fall of Rome and the End of Civilization it goes into some depth about this matter, and he himself has done extensive work in Britain pertaining to this time period.  Quite interesting. 


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Thank you very much, this is really interesting.
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