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Poll Question: Who do you think is the best leader of a Muslim country at present?
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    Posted: 30-Dec-2005 at 11:05

Who is your fave.

Mine is Erdogan. He has certanly brought around a lot of improvement in Turkey.

Above: Erdogan is not willing to accept any other rulings from the EU


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Mahathir Mohamad is no-longer leader of Malaysia, he had many many flaws but is probably the best leader any muslim country has ever had, not just present day but historically. 

He was racially prejudiced, had a selective memory for history, didn't respect political freedoms, would lie and cheat with the best. However he put secularism before religion, socialist policies before everything, never lost touch with the people, and never became personally corrupt.

There's no such thing as a benevolent dictator, but very nearly in his case. In a different class to any of the others on the list.

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Erdogan is the best Muslim leader?

He should consider himself lucky, since there was no military coup to overthrow his government.

Republic of Turkey is secular and it will remain so, I think you and Erdogan should understand that.



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Why is there the president of Northern Cyprus, a badly known character and not for instance this polemic Ahmadinejad of Iran or the no less polemic king of Morocco? Why there is no leader of Muslim Black Africa? Some Muslim Black nations have about the best human right records of all the Islamic World (Senegal, for instance). 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Maziar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Dec-2005 at 17:10
In my opinion all the leader you mentioned are corrupt, except by Erdogan. I don't think he is a very good leader, but at least the only secular leader.
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What are you talking about? Erdogan is an anti-secularist!
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Originally posted by barish barish wrote:

What are you talking about? Erdogan is an anti-secularist!

I know Barish. And i know Erdogan's religious point of view, but right now he acts as a secular, and this is a right thing for Turkey's interest.

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erdogan, the only democratically elected leader of a country that is doing good without oil.
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Originally posted by barish barish wrote:

Erdogan is the best Muslim leader?

He should consider himself lucky, since there was no military coup to overthrow his government.

Republic of Turkey is secular and it will remain so, I think you and Erdogan should understand that.

wasn't he elected?

if yes then he is representing the country in general and the people who voted for him in particular.

if the majority of Turkish peopl dont want Turkey to be secular then it shouldn't, thats Democracy or not?

 

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Azimuth, it is not that simple.

Erdogan was elected by the %30 of the country. That's hardly the majority!

And he get the votes from all the right-wingers, not just Islamists.

Many free-market supporters, who voted for AKP just for economic reasons, would oppose anti-secularism.

And what if the majority of the country wants to be ruled by a non-democratic system? Can we call that democracy too?
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well depends what you mean by non-democratic system and what you think democratic means.

 

democracy does not mean secular.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OSMANLI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Dec-2005 at 04:57

Erdogan is the only leader in a long time to not have a need for a coalition government since the number of votes he had was sufficiant.

"Republic of Turkey is secular and it will remain so, I think you and Erdogan should understand that. "

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Why mention this at all. Since Erdogan came into power he changed his stance from Islamist to conservative. He even has shown respect for these 'secular' views at the expence of his wife. He does not bring his wife to government gatherings in public buildings since it is illegal for his wife to wear the hijab in such  places.

Why would the there be a military coup on him. I did not realise that being a Muslim was an offence

I dont know about you but i prefer my leader NOT to be corrupt like other Turkish politicions.

What exactly isit that you dont like about him, does his moustache offend you?

Maju your right, i missed out the Black Muslim leaders, there is no offence intended in that. Its just that there was limited space and to be honest i forgot


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Thanks for welcoming me.

"Republic of Turkey is secular and it will remain so, I think you and Erdogan should understand that. "

I wrote this, because I clearly remember you saying that we should have a practising Muslim government, isn't it true?

And about Erdogan, he is obviously an anti-secularist. Let me give some examples:

- He said that our main identity is our religion.

- His party tried to criminalize adultery.

- I think you are aware of the religious schools problem.






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 "wrote this, because I clearly remember you saying that we should have a practising Muslim government, isn't it true? "

That is my personal opinion, yes. I mentioned this in a diffrent post. If you have read up on my previous post then you would also have seen that i have clearly stated that there is not a single Muslim leader that fits this criteria as well.

- He said that our main identity is our religion.
That his opinion, he has never tried to impose or in any way force his beliefs on others.

- His party tried to criminalize adultery.

Because its immoral and causes the breakdown of families. Remember fornication is Haram (forbiddin), however Erdogan or his party have not mentioned this in any proposed legislation. Even some secular Turks were up for this.

- I think you are aware of the religious schools problem.

This is one of the most stupid restrictions in Turkey. I believe that Jews, Christians, Muslims etc should have full rights to be tought their religios doctrine in schools. This freedom is allowed in many western/secular countries.

Remember in Erdogans early days in power where he made a law that the Turkish government should pay for the electricity and water bills. Prior to him the government would only pay for Sunni Muslim organisations.


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Whoever voted bashar was obviously smoking something...

King Abdullah sounds good, as he made a whole load of improvements in saudia, in particular improving the citizens life.

But the best of all times is obviously Sheikh Zayed. He passed away though

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Originally posted by barish barish wrote:

Azimuth, it is not that simple.

Erdogan was elected by the %30 of the country. That's hardly the majority!

And he get the votes from all the right-wingers, not just Islamists.

Many free-market supporters, who voted for AKP just for economic reasons, would oppose anti-secularism.

And what if the majority of the country wants to be ruled by a non-democratic system? Can we call that democracy too?

 

60% of turks wear a head covering and most dont want a secular state, that is why the muslim parties keep winning.

and the last military coup was in 1996.

but i hope that turkey stays secular although i dont believe its a democracy by western standards.

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Originally posted by Fizzil Fizzil wrote:

Whoever voted bashar was obviously smoking something...

King Abdullah sounds good, as he made a whole load of improvements in saudia, in particular improving the citizens life.

But the best of all times is obviously Sheikh Zayed. He passed away though



Whoever voted for Abdullah was obviously very high!

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erdogan has to be the right leader for turkey for this point in time. It is hard to balance western/liberal , islamic and keep the kemalists happy.

osmanli is right and all points.

though im not for state imposed morality myself, that adultery law is just very conservative and not exclusively islamic.

I also think the UAE deserve a mention here, very well run country and investing back into non oil-industries, while they can.


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Originally posted by prsn41ife prsn41ife wrote:

60% of turks wear a head covering and most dont want a secular state, that is why the muslim parties keep winning. and the last military coup was in 1996. but i hope that turkey stays secular although i dont believe its a democracy by western standards.


60% of the Turks wear head covering? I hope you excluded males.

That number is a joke. Head covering does not always mean head covering in an Islamic way.

My grandmother also covers her head sometimes, but it has nothing to do with Islam.




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