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    Posted: 23-Dec-2006 at 20:05
    In the time I spent in Istanbul I visited the Agia Sophia or Church of the Holy Wisdom five times. I am going to have to start researching for more primary sources about that ancient icon to two major religions today. I am glad it is a museum today and not a church or a Mosque!! I have always had a draw to the Agia Sophia since I first read about it years ago. I would spend 2-3 hours in there just walking around and looking and I just could not leave. It was like some invisible force kept me there and in many ways I think I left my soul behind because my mind is still there. For Greeks and Greeks Americans it is a cultural magnet and besides the ancestral connection there was so much drama that took place there. I have ordered the book O' Byzantium from the library so maybe it will mention the Agia Sophia as well. I would also sit in the park between the Blue Mosque and the great church and just stare at it for an hour or so, only a history nerd would do that. The Alexiad mentions it briefly but I need to find more sources.
    

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One of my former Turkish students sent me a pic he took of the Agia Sophia with only one mineret showing so we took it out in photo shop. I want to find a recreation painting of Agia Sophia online with the cross on top so I can copy it with photo shop and replace the half moon on the church with a cross.
Does anyone know of such an image????
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Try this one, which is on a pretty cool site: http://www.byzantium1200.com/hagia.html
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Wow- it is nice to get an idea or glimpse of what my Greek Byzantine ancestors might have seen it as.
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i wonder how was hagia sophia's look before it burnt down.
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hmm before 404 ay

OMG I did some research this beatifull building has suffered alot but yet its still standing.

I just found out that it was build over the ruins of 2 old churches in 537.

this one is true one of my favourite buildings greek architecture at it's bestClap


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Also the crusader#s really damaged it, one of the domes had collapsed and the other one was leaking, then Kodja Sinan added his Dome style to it to save the building.
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Originally posted by Bulldog Bulldog wrote:

Also the crusader#s really damaged it, one of the domes had collapsed .
 
well, it's true that the crusaders severelly damaged the temple, but I never heard that the dome had collapsed. In any case, there's only 1 dome, not 2!
 
 
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There's some semi-domes on the side and they were leaking, its fair to say that the Crusaders mistreated the building the most, also they changed it into a Cathedral but for some reason most of this is ignored.
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That is not surprising, since the Latin Emperors of Constantinople were in dire financial need for the greater part of their reign. The confiscation of funds intended for maintenance of the Aya Sofia (normally a fixed part of the state budget) would have been a natural consequence. Not that it accomplished anything.

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I should say that Turks respected Hagia Sophia much more than Latins...there is an incident in 1204 when the latter placed a prostitute in the Patriarch's throne inside H.S....
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Hagia Sophia brings tourists,of course we respect it.:)

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Originally posted by eaglecap eaglecap wrote:

I have ordered the book O' Byzantium from the library so maybe it will mention the Agia Sophia as well.
 
It does, but be prepared for a sad story.  Much of Choniates' account is in the form of a lament for Constantinople and its monuments during the destruction of the Fourth Crusade.  He is especially descriptive of the desecration of the altar and patriarch's throne in the Hagia Sophia by the crusaders.
 
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Originally posted by Batu Batu wrote:

Hagia Sophia brings tourists,of course we respect it.:)



Is this the only reason? The money it brings  from tourism?
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Originally posted by Batu Batu wrote:

Hagia Sophia brings tourists,of course we respect it.:)



I think that s a verry incorrect awnser .

The aya sofya is a magnifesent building it's averry important building for Turkish culture who isn't only Central asian you know.

Most mosk that the ottomans made were more or less  copies of this temple.....

This building inb my eyes does not belong to the turks or greks but too the world because of its beauty
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Please stop pretending your personal opinions represents everyone. There is no "correct" or "incorrect" answer, its all based upon perception, you can either love it or hate it.
 
It get's pretty tiring when people begin the old, " ooooooh its so great for "all" Turks or oooh its a load of "crap" according to all Turks"
 
Give your own opinions and stop this ridiculous attitude that "your" opinion represents an entire nation.
 
Most Ottoman building's were not "copies", the Blue Mosque was a reply to the Aya Sofya, Sulemaniye has an influence, where-as Selimiye influence is in the famous Ilkhanid mosque complex. To make such a sweeping comment is ludacris and thinking that Ottoman architecture only included mosque's is even worse. There are many non-religous and civic Ottoman masterpieces, the grand palaces, fountains, towers, town layouts, courtly homes, trainstations/ports, bridges etc etc etc
 
 
 
 


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LOL not another Hagia Sophia "battle" please. LOL
I agree with Bulldog that we shouldn't make such sweeping judgments but Bulldog, take it easy there!
 
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Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

LOL not another Hagia Sophia "battle" please. LOL
I agree with Bulldog that we shouldn't make such sweeping judgments but Bulldog, take it easy there!
 
Yes, a very wise suggestion indeed.  Let's talk about the cathedral in the Byzantino-Ottoman historical context rather than in nationalistic squabbles.  I tried to get the ball rolling in my post about Choniates, but everyone seems to be conveniently ignoring it!  Disapprove
 


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The Zeyrek Church is another great example of Byzantine architecture and has been restored very well recently.
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Originally posted by Batu Batu wrote:

Hagia Sophia brings tourists,of course we respect it.:)



we respect it because it is symbol of istanbul.
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