Atheism

Zaitsev wrote: However, I'm rather dismayed that you don't understand the "nature" of the "supernatural". One cannot apply natural laws to a supernatural being, that's what the word means.

Zaitsev wrote: So are you calling all people who believe in God lunatics. Answer that question yes or no... and carefully.

Warewolves and vampires are part of the supernatural in which you set so much store. Anyone who believes in that most definitely is a lunatic.

Oh quite obviously. There was a puddle, and over two hundred million years it sat still, perfectly undisturbed... and slowly turned into life.

Which shows you have not read about the chemical reactions and radioactivity which transformed inorganic matter into animate and self replicating matter. And actually here you are resorting to desperate sarcasm, go figure.

Actually no I didn't. For one thing, there is no such thing as a perfect test. If you'd like we could exclude all science based on that fact. Secondly, produce some evidence supporting this theory. I'm interested to see your proof. I've shown you the evidence against it, and it's pretty darn convincing.

Show me some tests which were done to a standard encompassing acceptable laboratory conditions to test this.

So now you know they're wrong. Prove it.

We've been through this, no need to prove that which is not supported by any evidence at all.

I can see you're resorting to rather unfortunate personal digs, but anyway. You may have noticed I had science in inverted commas when I said that. Referring to science in the sense of organised research by "scientists"

Well then learn to express the true meaning of your comments properly, otherwise people will have to remind you of how silly it sounds to say "scientific method contains no science".

I'm not the one resorting to desperate sarcasm.

I'm just making use of your methodology. It's a shame you find your own method of explaining existence as "sarcastic", it must reflect on the reasoning you used when trying to claim theism has more scientific validity than science itself.

Whoa theres a lot of bashing here. Whats wrong with being Atheist. I was raised Christian but I eventually questioned religion. I did some research and I found that Christianity is not what I believe in. A lot of things were covered up or never taught to Christians. For instance most Christians don't realize Jesus was not born on December 25th. That the 1st bible was written in Greek. The first written stories of Jesus never appeared to the late 60's AD. Numerous years after Jesus's life. Then I took world religion's which even strengthened my view of there being no true religion. Believe what you want to believe but please don't believe something just because someone else says it. Instead look to yourself to develop your own beliefs. Whats wrong with questioning religion and other beliefs. I feel that following something blindly kills the individual. 

I say the biggest thing most christians don't know about is all the conventions held to determine what was canon in the bible, and what wasn't. There was the book of Enoch where a rogue angel went down with an army and raped women who later birthed killer Giants, or Adams first wife, Lilith, who was on equal footing with man and was cast out for being independent and now hates the children of Adam and Eve. And ofcourse Eve being created to be a servant of man. They also debated whether Jesus was Divine or not.

SearchAndDestroy wrote: I say the biggest thing most christians don't know about is all the conventions held to determine what was canon in the bible, and what wasn't. There was the book of Enoch where a rogue angel went down with an army and raped women who later birthed killer Giants, or Adams first wife, Lilith, who was on equal footing with man and was cast out for being independent and now hates the children of Adam and Eve. And ofcourse Eve being created to be a servant of man. They also debated whether Jesus was Divine or not. All of these thrown out of the book or edited and decided by mere men, not any godly power. And these are only three examples of many.   It's examples like this that made me athiest, alot of inconsistencies and the idea of normal humans deciding what is acceptable and what isn't and even continues to this day, all makes it seem false. Though I do try to stay open minded in the idea that maybe I will find a god or something supernatural to believe in, but I'm not holding my breath.

gcle2003 wrote:   Akolouthos wrote:   That the 1st bible was written in Greek.   I daresay that most Christians are well aware of the fact that the books of the New Testament were originally composed in Greek. I think the surprise referred to here is the discovery that the Old Testament was first written in Greek (at least, the oldest text we have is in Greek).   It surprised me actually, though it's worn off in the meantime.

After all, basic Christian ecclesiology is founded on Christ's promise of the Holy Spirit, which leads the Church "into all truth." Thus the Councils, when viewed in light of this promise, are far more than gatherings of "mere men," and were indeed influenced by a "godly power" (in fact, this godly power was actually God, himself).

I don't think an arguement that can't be proven can be used to explain a mere man's choices.

Cool, I still don't believe in Christanity. But I think its very healthy for people to question their faith. Don't accept everything you hear, form your own opinions and ideas. I just find it said people are slaves to their religion and don't know the history of their religion either. In other words be yourself and don't follow blindly.

Sometimes people demand proofs for the existence or no-existence of God, and start big discussions about the true nature of the so-called proofs, talking about the impossibility to demonstrate that God exists or dont exists.

Garvm wrote: Sometimes people demand proofs for the existence or no-existence of God, and start big discussions about the true nature of the so-called proofs, talking about the impossibility to demonstrate that God exists or dont exists.   I`m an atheist because i think that is more than proved (to me) that God its no more than a fable, made to a better control of the society, through, first by fear of merciless punishment and later, with the cultural advancement of Humanity, as a kind of good father that is good and reward the just and try to amend the injust...   The proofs of the no-existence of God?   Well its sayed that God is good, omniscient and omnipotent then how to explain this:   - Wars - Famines - Plagues - Children raped, tortured and killed for criminals - People victim of the worst type  of phisic or mental abuse - Terrorism against innumerable inocent victims - Slavery (yes it still exist!) - Politic leaders that can send thousands to the death, claiming that is patriotic, but in truth they want to keep his power and wealth - In certain countries women are seen as inferior to the men - People around the World keep persecute, torture and kill for religious, politics and economics reasons - and so on...   After this are still three choices:   God is a fable, dont exist. God is good, but is powerless and too weak to interfere. God really exist, but is evil, and dont give a damn for is so-called sons.

Good way to argue the point but like pointed out before most Christians will say god granted man with free will. I'm an atheist because no religions seem true except for Buddhism. Which is more of a way of life than religion. There are just too many contradictions in Bible, I haven't really studied the Qur'an yet. But Islam seems to be closely associated with Christianity and Judaism. Which I believe is false.