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    Posted: 24-Oct-2006 at 22:15
Did Ataturk have children? if so, biological or adopted?
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He had an adopted daughter.
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one daughter?

the reason I was asking is that I have recently read in a Russian newspaper, that the adopted daughter was actually an Armenian orphan?


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Rumour has it that Mustafa Kemal had a son, Abdurrahim.
 
 
Check the following link for more information (Turkish):
 
I will try to find some sources in English or more Turkish ones later.
 
Has anybody else heard about Abdurrahim?

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i've read in "cilgin Trkler" he had an adopted "kurdish" son named Abdullah or Abdurrahim. 
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People dont know if he had a daughter or a son? Why all the secrecy?
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What has this question to do with modern culture? 
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He had adopted several kidsSmile I dont know the real number(But i am sure more than one)
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I saw pictures of him and his manevi(adopted) daughter
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Originally posted by mamikon mamikon wrote:

People dont know if he had a daughter or a son? Why all the secrecy?
people do know of one doughter, but many of them dont know their is also an adopted son.
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Originally posted by brainstorm brainstorm wrote:

What has this question to do with modern culture?


Its under modern history, not modern culture

so...does anyone have any information about his children? especially the daughter(s)? why all the secrecy around them?


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Originally posted by mamikon mamikon wrote:

one daughter? the reason I was asking is that I have recently read in a Russian newspaper, that the adopted daughter was actually an Armenian orphan?

Her name was Sabiha G闥cen. Also known as 'the first female aviator of the world'.

Hrriyet (Turkish Newspaper) claimed that she was of Armenian descendant as well.

I don't know about other children though.


    
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Originally posted by Feanor Feanor wrote:

Originally posted by mamikon mamikon wrote:

one daughter? the reason I was asking is that I have recently read in a Russian newspaper, that the adopted daughter was actually an Armenian orphan?

Her name was Sabiha G闥cen. Also known as 'the first female aviator of the world'.

Hrriyet (Turkish Newspaper) claimed that she was of Armenian descendant as well.

I don't know about other children though.    
 
No Hurriyet did not claim something like this. Hurriyet has made a news about Sabiha Gokcen just after she died and wrote about claims of some Armenians.
 
It is very strange that they are claiming something like this after she died. In fact her family is known. They are from Bursa and they are Turks.
 
 


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I have never heard of any Armenian claims about her. As stated earlier, I have read in a Russian newspaper one of Ataturk's daughters was supposably Armenian. It might have been Sabiha or it might not have.

According to Wikipedia, Dr. Hans-Lukas Kieser a swiss historian wrote about her Armenian origins.

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In February, the Hurriyet newspaper's publication of a report that Sabiha Gokcen--an adopted daughter of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, who was the country's first female pilot--was of Armenian descent drew a number of racist public statements. The Turkish General Staff issued a statement criticizing the reports on Gokcen's Armenian ancestry as "a claim that abuses national values and feelings" while the Turkish Air Association called the report "an insult" to Gokcen and to Ataturk.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41713.htm

Also, from BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3519561.stm




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Ataturk adopted 9 kids..Smile

He placed a very high value on kids...probably more than any other world leader..

because every year 20th April is celebrated as the Kid's Bayram in Turkey. That date actually marks the opening of the Turkish Grand Assembly..But Ataturk dedicated this day to the children.

.Every year hundreds of children around the world  come to Turkey that time to clebrate this kids bayram :)


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Originally posted by TheDiplomat TheDiplomat wrote:

because every year 20th April is celebrated as the Kid's Bayram in Turkey.

It is 23th of April.

Originally posted by mamikon mamikon wrote:

The Turkish General Staff issued a statement criticizing the reports on Gokcen's Armenian ancestry as "a claim that abuses national values and feelings" while the Turkish Air Association called the report "an insult" to Gokcen and to Ataturk.

Idiots.

Ataturk had light hair and blue eyes. Hardly Central Asian Turkic if you ask me.

Even the very definition of 'race' is quite unclear.
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We Turks all Ataturk's sons and daugters.
 
Ataturk is yellow haired and coloured eyed,may be Kipchak Turk huh?Turks are not a one geography race like chinese.
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We Turks all Ataturk's sons and daugters.
 
dont you think this is a little much? I dont think other turks than turkey turks, care much for Ataturk.
 
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I agree.Ataturk is a great person and an icon only in turkey.Other turk tribes dont consider him as their national hero.They even dont care about him.
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Originally posted by Mortaza Mortaza wrote:

We Turks all Ataturk's sons and daugters.
 
dont you think this is a little much? I dont think other turks than turkey turks, care much for Ataturk.
 
 
İf we intrudced him correctly to them,they will.This is our mistakeConfused
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