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    Posted: 20-Jan-2009 at 18:49

Debatedly the first two empires (by definition), the Assyrian and Persian Empires were both greatly successful. The question of this post is not "Who was better overall?" but rather "In what areas were the Persians more successful than the Assyrians and vice-versa."  

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I think that the Assyrians were better at administration than the Persians. The Assyrians were masters of propaganda through annals and images. They created the first known annals which often recounted biased accounts of Assyrian triumphs. They also created large incribed images portaying the Assyrian armies crushing their foes. The Persians merely copied these and used them on a much smaller scale. Also the Assyrians were  highly effective in their management of people. Conquered people were deported from their homeland (to avoid uprisings and to strike psychological blows) and moved to places according to their skills; e.g. a wood cutter would be sent to Lebanon were there were great forests. The Persians were far less deliberate.

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Didn't the persians conquer the assyrians? 
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Assyrians were mighty warriors, but Persians were better governors.
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The Persians did conquer the Assyrians.
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I think the major differences came from the huge cultural differences. Persians, a different kind of people like other Iranians weren't like Babylonian neighbours. Though the Achaemenians adopted so many things from Mesopotamians, thus they may seem superficially like those empires but in details they weren't. That's why the governance of the Persian empire was something else.
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The Medes not the Persians defeated Assyria. 
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Dud, so where do you stand when people say that Sargon The Great ruled over an empire?
The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations.
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Originally posted by dud dud wrote:

I think that the Assyrians were better at administration than the Persians. The Assyrians were masters of propaganda through annals and images. They created the first known annals which often recounted biased accounts of Assyrian triumphs. They also created large incribed images portaying the Assyrian armies crushing their foes. The Persians merely copied these and used them on a much smaller scale.

There are the Persian murals and inscriptions at Persepolis and Behistun. The Assyrians were first of course, but the Persians use them too.

Quote Also the Assyrians were  highly effective in their management of people. Conquered people were deported from their homeland (to avoid uprisings and to strike psychological blows) and moved to places according to their skills; e.g. a wood cutter would be sent to Lebanon were there were great forests. The Persians were far less deliberate.

The Persian Empire was much larger than the Assyrian's. It seems to me Assyria was more centralised in their administration - the Persians can't afford that due to the size of their territories. They gave autonomy to Satraps and for a while this worked quite well. There's also the Persian Royal Road and other projects which was designed to keep distant regions of the Empire together. So I'd say, given the challenges they faced, the Achemenids were better administrators.

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As far as I know, the Persians had inscriptions and murals in a few select places while the Assyrians flaunted their successes on many monuments and buildings.
 
True the Persians did face bigger challenges, I just think that the Assyrian's strategy was highly effective in their position.
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Originally posted by Penelope Penelope wrote:

Dud, so where do you stand when people say that Sargon The Great ruled over an empire?
I'm not entirely certain myself. I don't know too much about the Akkadians but I would say that if anyone of that period, Sargon's Akkad was the closest thing to, or was an empire.
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In my opinion the Persians were more advanced. The Persians and Medes were always in unison cultural wise, that is why the Chaldeans and Assyrians had trouble conquering them. Not to mention the Tigris and Euphrates city-states were always at each others neck and one city-state king could't keep power of the whole region,and if he did the cities would revolt after their succesion.

Where as the people east of the Zagros mountains have had unified frount for years . The Medians,Persians,and Achaemenids have all followed under a authority whether one ruled over the other.  Being able to conquer the Lydianites with help of forign people such as the Greek Ionians.

He used one of the best siege tactics known in history,and dethroned some of the worlds powerfil king at the time. Conquering Nebonidus,Nebuchadnezzar,and Aystages. His tactics were great and uncanny. He was the first and only men to conquer Babylon.Others such Nabopolazzar have used Nabonadus have used political wittyness to gain power,not denounce the prowess of courtship.

The Assyrians basically were still under the influence of the Chaldeans and were not able to fully conquer or subdue them.  The Assyrians were good conqurers,but the Persians occupied more territory and held a strong hand.
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