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Cyrus, if you read Shahnamah and other Persian literary works, you will find that the ideal beauty consists of tall stature, slim body, large and black eyes, long and semi-circle eyebrows, full but small lips and thin nose. The vesres I quoted from Firdowsi describing Rudabeh reflects this tradition. Read it again.
 
Also note that persons with light eyes are usually mocked in Iran, being called having 'cat-like' eyes. Actually in my town pregnant women are adviced to take a special diet to have kids with black eyes and not stained with having a CAT-EYED baby (چشم گربه)
 
BTW, I don't deny the fact that there could have been red/blond haired elements in Iranian society from times immoral. But going to claim that ancient Aryans were mostly red-haired is just plain wrong.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 14:17
Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

Sorry but whats the obession of Persians?

Actually, i don't see any difference beetween Iranians and Arabs, u are the same Middle-Easterns. Get over it.
 
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red hair in the human population is most commonly associated with those of British or Irish descent, dark red or reddish-tinged hair can be found in a few other Caucasian populations. The Galatian invasion of 275 BC gave modern Turkey a smattering of the present-day population who have red hair and green eyes, as well as some in Iran.
 
Did they invade Iran or even the eastern part of Turkey too?!! Question

The Galatians did not invade Iran, however, Galatians were extremely popular as mercenaries throughout the Middle East and eastern Meditteranean. Particularly they were popular with the Seleucids, who controlled eastern Turkey and most of present-day Iran and Iraq. 

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Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

Sorry but whats the obession of Persians?

Actually, i don't see any difference beetween Iranians and Arabs, u are the same Middle-Easterns. Get over it.
Of course there are not much differences in appearance between Iranians and Arabs, the fact is that modern Iranians are one of the most mixed nations in the world, but we are talking about the ancestors of Iranian people, not the people of Iran.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 16:54
Originally posted by Ardashir Ardashir wrote:

Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

Sorry but whats the obession of Persians?

Actually, i don't see any difference beetween Iranians and Arabs, u are the same Middle-Easterns. Get over it.
 
Who has let this sub-human oghuz to speak here?!
 
Ardashir, please notice that you have been officially warned for this comment.
 
 
Also, to all participants in this thread, keep the derogatory remarks out of the discussion or it will be closed.  Attack arguments, not ethnic groups.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 17:54
Ardashir, your last two posts sound racist, there is absolutely no talk about the supremacy of the racial features of a people over other, beauty is a relative concept and I don't know what you mean by mentioning it!
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A good website about Red Hair: http://www.redheads.ie/
 
 
 
 
 
The Origins of Red Hair gerberas

Gene Origins

Approximately 1% of the world's population has red hair, but there isn't very much known about its origins, when it popped up or even why. Red hair appears in people who have two copies of a recessive gene on chromosome 16 which causes a change in a protein known as MC1R. Various studies estimate that the gene appeared anywhere from 20,000 to 100,000 years ago. Jonathan Rees of the University of Edinburgh in Scotland, who identified the gene for red hair and light skin in 1995, believes that the gene appeared only 50,000 years ago.

  Possible Reasons Why the Gene Emerged

•  What we do know is that red hair is more common in northern countries, especially the colder climates associated with Western Europe. Some researchers (Bodmer and Cavalli-Sforza, 1976) suggested that a lighter skin colour is advantageous in colder latitudes because it encourages a higher level of Vitamin D production in the body, preventing the bone-softening disease known as rickets. A woman who had rickets would have severe problems during childbirth, because her pelvis would be damaged.
 In addition, the red-headed gene allows individuals to retain heat better than someone with darker skin.
Other scientists have theorized that the red hair gene survived because it was attractive to potential mates, outweighing the costs associated with a higher rate of skin cancer, for example, in redheads.

Red hair is often assumed to have emerged with the Celts, but the gene for redheadedness existed long before the Celts came into being, at the start of the first millennium BC around the headwaters of the Rhine, the Rhone and the Danube. One theory is that red hair arrived in Europe with the Iranic-speaking steppe tribes who lived the areas north of and around the Black Sea from 4,000 years ago to the 6th century. Today, there is a surprising number of redheads in Afghanistan, Iran and the Urals, as well as in Azerbaijan and Georgia. It is possible that this "Iranic" ginger trait was transferred to other populations, including the Celts, whose original hair color was various shades of brown and black in general.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 20:47
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Cyrus Shahmiri wrote:

Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

Sorry but whats the obession of Persians?

Actually, i don't see any difference beetween Iranians and Arabs, u are the same Middle-Easterns. Get over it.
Of course there are not much differences in appearance between Iranians and Arabs, the fact is that modern Iranians are one of the most mixed nations in the world, but we are talking about the ancestors of Iranian people, not the people of Iran.


No, dude. I mean i didn't really meant that.

Iranians and Arabs are different but what i mean is that Iranians are no European. Iranians are much whiter then Arabs yes, u are different but u are neither European.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 21:10
Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

No, dude. I mean i didn't really meant that.

Iranians and Arabs are different but what i mean is that Iranians are no European. Iranians are much whiter then Arabs yes, u are different but u are neither European.
Isn't there any way that we become European too? Can you stretch Europe a little to include Iran? Wink The problem is that you don't know the differences between Iranian peoples (like Jassic in Hungry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A1sz_people ) and people of modern Iran.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 21:36
Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor Byzantine Emperor wrote:

Originally posted by Ardashir Ardashir wrote:

Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

Sorry but whats the obession of Persians?

Actually, i don't see any difference beetween Iranians and Arabs, u are the same Middle-Easterns. Get over it.
 
Who has let this sub-human oghuz to speak here?!
 
Ardashir, please notice that you have been officially warned for this comment.
 
 
Also, to all participants in this thread, keep the derogatory remarks out of the discussion or it will be closed.  Attack arguments, not ethnic groups.
 
  What a rude comment, be careful when you are talking about other nations ancestors 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 21:43
Whoever claimed that Iranians are Europeans?!
 
May be Azeris of Arran are so obessed with EU expansion that they consider themselves to be guardians of European identity, lol
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 21:58
Guys, let's get back to the topic here; that is let's return to a discussion of the Ascanian Dynasty and leave the discussion of European identity (and Iranic identity) for a different thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2009 at 02:53
Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

Sorry but whats the obession of Persians?

Actually, i don't see any difference beetween Iranians and Arabs, u are the same Middle-Easterns. Get over it.
I can not see any difference between average Azeri and average Arab. Azeris are not European as well. I have seen many Azeris who pass Indian, Arab or Kurd, If you need pic I can post many of them.
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Originally posted by Evrenosgazi Evrenosgazi wrote:

Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor Byzantine Emperor wrote:

Originally posted by Ardashir Ardashir wrote:

Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

Sorry but whats the obession of Persians?

Actually, i don't see any difference beetween Iranians and Arabs, u are the same Middle-Easterns. Get over it.
 
Who has let this sub-human oghuz to speak here?!
 
Ardashir, please notice that you have been officially warned for this comment.
 
 
Also, to all participants in this thread, keep the derogatory remarks out of the discussion or it will be closed.  Attack arguments, not ethnic groups.
 
  What a rude comment, be careful when you are talking about other nations ancestors 
Yes, rude comments are not welcome in AE, but as many members can see Emil has evoked a harsh respond from the Iranian side with his rude post. His attitude is wrong toward Iranians. As you know Iranians do not like to be called Arabs or calling Middle eastern as all the same, it looks like he is looking at us as a inferior nations or try to separate Azeris from the rest of Middle East and stick it to Europe. Guess what he is wrong big time cuz Azeris are Middle eastern and look like middle eastern; it does not matter if he likes it or not.

Back to the topic. Iranians are mixed just like every big nation and you can find an Iranian with dark complex to light as Northern European complex, but what is the deal of being light or dark?



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Suren, since when Caucasus are in Mid-East? And since when people from Caucasus are Mid-Eastern or look like? Confused

I think u include Iranian Azeris here too, but don't please, they are mid-eastern yes as they live in mid-east and their neighbours are Kurds and Persians, they have mixed very much with u, thats why they look like mid-easterns. But i m Caucasian Azeri not Iranian, so please.......

Also i didn't meant that u are same as Arabs, if u read my other post. Iranians are not like Arabs, much whiter, but u are no European.

I do not look at u as inferior, i just stated my opinion. Go to youtube and u will see.

About average Azeri:

A pic that was taken yesterday, celebration of Charshanba Axshami in Baku, related to Novruz.








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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2009 at 13:57
What is the preference of Caucasus (Kapkuh), where Iranian dangerous criminals were banished in the Sassanid period, to Middle East, the cradle of civilization?
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Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Emil_Diniyev wrote:

 

Actually, I don't see any difference beetween Iranians and Arabs.U are the same Middle-Easterns.Get over it.
 
 
 
 
Iranians are Persians not Arabs.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2009 at 16:38
Two friendly warnings were issued in this thread for participants to stop arguing about ethnic groups and return to the original topic.  Unfortunately, those warnings have gone unheeded for a while now.  It is closed until further notice.
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