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    Posted: 12-Nov-2008 at 15:18
Should we force them to speak just Persian? Is it a good way to help them to find their own identity? and does it help Iranians to be more united?
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It's your country. Any way you cut it the Iranians (governement) have the right to push the kind of agenda as they please. Worldwide this has been done throughout history, forced conversion that is. However, there always seems to be one small problem, a volatile ethnic backlash and international pressure. Then again not all ethinic conversions or pogroms get the world's intervention.

Edited by Seko - 12-Nov-2008 at 15:34
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Of course they are ethnically Iranian, so there won't be any ethinic conversion.

It is interesting to know what other people think about it:
 

"The Persian chauvinism is a reason of all pressures on Azerbaijani language, numerous facts of pressure and violation of rights of Azerbaijani in Iran, said leader of the Humanistic Party of Azerbaijan Oqtay Atakhan commenting on the information that teaching Azerbaijani language and literature was banned at the Tebriz university.
He said Iran is a historically Turkic state, to which Persians, whose language is still the state language in this country, bear no attitude. Therefore, Azerbaijanis are a dangerous national minority for Persians.
"If teaching Azerbaijani language at high schools and other educational facilities of Iran is allowed, Azerbaijani language will become the state language in ran in the shortest period of time. Therefore, it is not a surprise that  teaching Azerbaijani language and literature was banned at the Tebriz university in Iran, as the strengthening of the Azerbaijani language will transform Iran into a Turkic state. However, the bellicose Persian chauvinism does not want to allow it", concluded Atakhan.

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Looks like you guys have a few crackpots in higher education. So does the rest of the world. Oh well, free kabab's for everyone.

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Iranians need to start watching more TV in color.
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Originally posted by Seko Seko wrote:

It's your country. Any way you cut it the Iranians (governement) have the right to push the kind of agenda as they please. Worldwide this has been done throughout history, forced conversion that is.


Indeed, but we live in a globalised world now where everyone sees everything (almost). Any nation must consider international consensus before pushing any kind of controversial agenda, or else the consequences may range from diplomatic controversy to sanctions to military intervention. If a country deviates too much from what the international consensus considers tolerable that country's sovereignty is at stake.
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There is no such thing as 'ethnically Iranian'. 'Iranian' is nationality, not ethnicity. Azeris are as Iranian as the Farsis, but they are different ethnicities. If the Farsis try to 'Farsify' the Azeris there will be consequences. Same goes for the Arabs and Kurds in Iran.

US already is working on Azeri, Arab and Kurd separatism, Iran will be sorry if it falls into this trap. By oppressing the Azeris, Iran is pushing them into the hands of US.
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Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

Originally posted by Seko Seko wrote:

It's your country. Any way you cut it the Iranians (governement) have the right to push the kind of agenda as they please. Worldwide this has been done throughout history, forced conversion that is.


Indeed, but we live in a globalised world now where everyone sees everything (almost). Any nation must consider international consensus before pushing any kind of controversial agenda, or else the consequences may range from diplomatic controversy to sanctions to military intervention. If a country deviates too much from what the international consensus considers tolerable that country's sovereignty is at stake.
 
Exactly! As also quoted by me in the rest of my previous post.
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We need more freedom for minorities in Iran, now. allowing the local languages as second language of province after the Persian is healthy, but we need to keep Persian as the official language of state.


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Well said Suren, I believe Iran without cultural diversity is a dead country.
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Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

Originally posted by Seko Seko wrote:

It's your country. Any way you cut it the Iranians (governement) have the right to push the kind of agenda as they please. Worldwide this has been done throughout history, forced conversion that is.


Indeed, but we live in a globalised world now where everyone sees everything (almost). Any nation must consider international consensus before pushing any kind of controversial agenda, or else the consequences may range from diplomatic controversy to sanctions to military intervention. If a country deviates too much from what the international consensus considers tolerable that country's sovereignty is at stake.

Who and what controls the ''international consensus''? A few people in power and their greed for more power?


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Originally posted by omshanti omshanti wrote:

Who and what controls the ''international consensus''? A few people in power and their greed for more power?


Those with the most power control the international consensus, of course.
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No I say we get rid of all the non-Iranic parts, let Azerbaijan go and force them to take all of their mullahs and Turkic speakers from other parts lest they try and claim more land.

Then the Marsh arabs of the South can be resettled into Southern Iraq and Saudi where they migrated between before the border was closed by the British. 

Azerbaijan is the ancestral home of Azeris (who were Turkicised but still the land is their forefathers' (mostly) even if they don't speak the same language) so they can keep it - Khuzistan does not however belong to Arabs.  

Then I would promote a Kurdish, Azeri and Persian confederation since you Persians and Azaris have proven yourselves to be very unstable ideologically and politically and we don't want to speak Persian or be irrevocably tied to you in any other way - Kurdish is more Persian than modern Persian anyway.

Some things I have seen have changed my stance recently.  In addition, I promote the forceful eviction of all non-regional forces - i.e. the euro-american imperialists. - at whatever cost.


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 Loose Confederacy doesn't work.

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That sounds like a good vision to me, Zagros, but I wasn't aware there were any euro-american imperialists in Iran.
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Errr... No!
Pressuring someone to change their language and identity is the best way to ensure rebellion and hatred and a strengthening of minor ethnic identities.
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Iran is a time-honoured state as legitimate as any other state on the planet. It should not be divided into ethnic states, it would help nobody except the imperialists. A federation, maybe, but not a confederation.

And the euro-american imperialists are active in Iran. Especially the Americans have been sponsoring the terrorists in Iran for a long time. Their support for PEJAK/PKK got them into trouble with Turkey recently. The neocon idiots (this is rather redundant but anyway) thought they could give weapons to PKK would use them only against Iran...   
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I am going to stir up a hornet's nest but here it is. Actually some parts of Iran were only incorporated to it as recent as the 1920s (Khuzestan and parts of Kurdistan and Azerbaijan) and these were done so by force. The problem in Iran today is there are some in power who hate to see a multi-cultural Iran and want to dilute majorities in certain places into minorites. A few days ago one minister suggested increasing the pace of "persification" of Khuzestan which is already been cleansed culturally (I searched official maps and you hardly could find an Arabic named village let alone a city there despite Arabs being an absolute majority there). This is not good and will only add wood to the fire already burning in the region.
 
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Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

That sounds like a good vision to me, Zagros, but I wasn't aware there were any euro-american imperialists in Iran.


I said the region, didn't I?
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Originally posted by Al Jassas Al Jassas wrote:

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I am going to stir up a hornet's nest but here it is. Actually some parts of Iran were only incorporated to it as recent as the 1920s (Khuzestan and parts of Kurdistan and Azerbaijan) and these were done so by force. The problem in Iran today is there are some in power who hate to see a multi-cultural Iran and want to dilute majorities in certain places into minorites. A few days ago one minister suggested increasing the pace of "persification" of Khuzestan which is already been cleansed culturally (I searched official maps and you hardly could find an Arabic named village let alone a city there despite Arabs being an absolute majority there). This is not good and will only add wood to the fire already burning in the region.
 
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What's wrong with that? Turks did it and do it, Arabs did it and do it; but the big bad evil Persians are the only ones worthy of chastisement? What parts of Azerbaijan and Kurdistan and Khuzistan were added to Iran in the 20s? 

- All of Azerbaijan was a part of Iran before the Russians annexed the Northern part in
1812.
- Kurdistan was a constant battleground between Osmanli and Safavi/Afshar/Zand/Qajar, so what's your point?
- Khuzistan? That is a cradle of Persian civilisation, any Arab is a guest there.  they are welcome to resume their nomadic lifestyle and move between iran-Iraq and Saudi (though i am not sure they would like to go to Saudi since any treatment they receive in iran will be VIp in comparison) but to try and claim the territories is just a joke.

Anyway, I have my opinions but it is up to the people of who live in Iran and the surrounding area to choose their destiny.

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