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    Posted: 31-Jul-2006 at 15:39

We all call ourselves human beings. Yet we do behave as being part of different species. None says “he’s a muslim human being” everybody (including me) say “he’s a muslim”. I like to think of myself meaning the former and I try to stick to the concept that “the label isn’t necessarily the product”, but I continue to discover that most people around me act like the name is the thing.

Not always, of course, just when they obviously don’t have to put some mind effort to make the difference.

Let’s take my name, Cezar, which in Romanian is Cesar. Nobody thinks of me as being Julius Caesar.

Let’s take something a lot different: “XXX president of the xxx-ians”. Who is this guy? Basically, a human being, who, by some obscure means, managed to became ruler of the xxx-ians. So what do the most of the non-xxx-ians do? They think of him as representing the xxx-ians. The “XXX” misbehave. Even some of the xxx-ians think of him as misbehaving. What do most of the non-xxx-ians do? They think that “XXX” acted on behalf of all the xxx-ians. Now, there might be the yyy-ians who, on behalf of the  misbehavior of  “XXX” are considering all the xxx-ians as being guilty of the harm done. And usully, there will be “YYY the leader of the yyy-ians” that show up and not try to bring them to some reason. What, happens next? Well, it seems that all yyy-ians start to hate the xxx-ians.. They start causing harm to xxx-ians. So the xxx-ians get hurt. Among them, some of the xxx-ians that thought “the president of the xxx-ians” was wrong. So, more xxx-ians get to agree with the misbehavior and more yyy-ans fight against them. And this keeps on going on and on and the xxx-ians turn into xyx-ians and then into xzyxt-ians… and they keep following XYX, and XZXT ….. no concern for themselves, really, just follow the leader (primitive men were using this tactic to kill herds of herbivores – modern people just enjoy using it on themselves)

 

If you take a look from some distance, xxx=yyy=human beings. I mean they both need to breathe, eat, drink, have sex, etc. So why are they killing each other? Because some of them (XXX) made a bad decision, and all of the others (xxx and yyy) couldn’t find a way to correct it. They just enjoyed the idea that they can zap each other.

 

One might get away killing a child but you can get hanged if you swat a fly.

 

Human race – a failure?



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Not a failure, yet, we have colonized the planet. Maybe we will evolve before we self combust.
 
BTW, i hate the ZZZ-ians, providing the arms and encouragement for mutual annihilation to both XXX-ians and ZZZ-ians, for $$$ etc..
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In the world as it is, the looking-glass world, the countries that guard the peace also make the most weapons. The most prestigious banks launder the most drug money and harbour the most stolen cash. The most successful industries are the most poisonous for the planet. And saving the environment is the brilliant endeavour of the very companies that profit from annihilating it. Those who kill the most people in the shortest time win immunity and praise, as do those who destroy the most nature at the lowest cost. – Eduardo Galeano
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Beautiful quote, flyingzone. Well, perhaps beautiful is the wrong word given the subject matter - but you know what I mean.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Red Russian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2006 at 21:54
Originally posted by Cezar Cezar wrote:

<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify" ="Msonormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>We all call ourselves human beings. Yet we do behave as being part of different species. None says “he’s a muslim human being” everybody (including me) say “he’s a muslim”. I like to think of myself meaning the former and I try to stick to the concept that “the label isn’t necessarily the product”, but I continue to discover that most people around me act like the name is the thing.


<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify" ="Msonormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>Not always, of course, just when they obviously don’t have to put some mind effort to make the difference.


<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify" ="Msonormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>Let’s take my name, Cezar, which in Romanian is Cesar. Nobody thinks of me as being Julius Caesar.


<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify" ="Msonormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>Let’s take something a lot different: “XXX president of the xxx-ians”. Who is this guy? Basically, a human being, who, by some obscure means, managed to became ruler of the xxx-ians. So what do the most of the non-xxx-ians do? They think of him as representing the xxx-ians. The “XXX” misbehave. Even some of the xxx-ians think of him as misbehaving. What do most of the non-xxx-ians do? They think that “XXX” acted on behalf of all the xxx-ians. Now, there might be the yyy-ians who, on behalf of the <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>misbehavior of <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>“XXX” are considering all the xxx-ians as being guilty of the harm done. And usully, there will be “YYY the leader of the yyy-ians” that show up and <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">not try to bring them to some reason. What, happens next? Well, it seems that all yyy-ians start to hate the xxx-ians.. They start causing harm to xxx-ians. So the xxx-ians get hurt. Among them, some of the xxx-ians that thought “the president of the xxx-ians” was wrong. So, more xxx-ians get to agree with the misbehavior and more yyy-ans fight against them. And this keeps on going on and on and the xxx-ians turn into xyx-ians and then into xzyxt-ians… and they keep following XYX, and XZXT ….. no concern for themselves, really, just follow the leader (primitive men were using this tactic to kill herds of herbivores – modern people just enjoy using it on themselves)


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<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify" ="Msonormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>If you take a look from some distance, xxx=yyy=human beings. I mean they both need to breathe, eat, drink, have sex, etc. So why are they killing each other? Because some of them (XXX) made a bad decision, and all of the others (xxx and yyy) couldn’t find a way to correct it. They just enjoyed the idea that they can zap each other.


<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify" ="Msonormal"><O:P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4> </O:P>


<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify" ="Msonormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>One might get away killing a child but you can get hanged if you swat a fly.


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<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify" ="Msonormal"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>Human race – a failure?



I am confused with all these X's and Y's. So what your saying is. The main x, made a bad descion. the Main y didn't like it. SO all the X's hate all the Y's?
    
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Oh, the white folks hate the black folks.
And the black folks, hate the white folks
To hate all but the right folks
is an old established rule

But during...
National Brotherhood Week
National Brotherhood Week
Lena Horn and Sheriff Clark are dancing cheek to cheek,
it's fun to eulogize the
people you despise
as long you don't let them in your school.

Oh, the poor folks, hate the rich folks
and the rich folks hate the poor folks.
All of my folks hate all of your folks.
It's american as apple pie.
But during...

National Brotherhood Week
National Brotherhood Week
New Yorkers Love the Puerto Ricans 'cause it's very chique
Stand up and shake the hand
of someone you can't stand
you can tolerate him if you try.

Oh the protestants hate the catholics
and the catholics hate the protestants
and the hindus hate the muslims
and everybody hates the jews, but during

National Brotherhood Week
National Brotherhood Week
its national everyone smile at
one another-hood week,
be nice to people who are inferior to you. 
it's only for a week so have no fear
be grateful that it doesn't last all year
 
Tom Lehrer. Early 60s?
 
Do they still have 'National Brotherhood Week' ?
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Tom Lehrer- 1965, written for television show called That Was The Week That Was.  I don't think it's called Nat. Bro. week anymore.  Well, now I know for sure your age in profile is accurate.Big smile     BTW, I own the anthology album,  he wrote about 20 songs for that show, not all as good as that, but close.  My favorite is "The Vatican Rag".
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Originally posted by Red Russian Red Russian wrote:


I am confused with all these X's and Y's. So what your saying is. The main x, made a bad descion. the Main y didn't like it. SO all the X's hate all the Y's?
    
 
Not quite. Most of the x's and the y's are just not giving a damn about it when it starts. But eventually (and unfortunately) they found themselves fighting eachother because they were to lazy to get involved into the matter.
 
I'll try an example to make it clear. It's about Russians and Romanians.
You certainly know that our countries were enemies during WWII and that due to Stalin and our leaders we didn't had a chance to get out of our alliance with the Third Reich sooner than the 23rd of August 1944. The Soviet ocupation that followed and the communist regime they imposed upon us were some of the worst thing a people can get. By now these are things of the past yet many of my fellowmen think of Russia as being populated with bloodthirsty politrucs. Our foreign policy is western oriented so no russian friendly posture is encouraged, in the media or else. Therefore, a whole lot of Romanians depict the Russians as some kind of ... barbarians. If I try to put some reason into my people I get instantly labelled as neo-communist or something like that. The fact that nowadays Russia has not many things in common with 1944 Soviet Union becames irrelevant. People just stick to the labels, they don't care about what's inside the package. Maybe some of your relatives were killed on the front by my uncle who was a machine gunner. Do you feel like coming after me because of that? Or do you think I should try and find the kids of the Russian soldier who killed one of my aunts and kill them in order to make it even?
 
It just seems to me that the favourite sport of humans is killing eachother. People just need to find a reason, a single motive, then the killing season is open. Isn't it funny that most of the people died due to "freedom". This is the most fatal concept of our history. 
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well i have a question, is it possible that people with different color skin are a different species of human kind?? i mean, a cat, with a different color of fur, same with dogs, is usually a different species of the dogs. i wonder if perhaps this is true with us humans, we are only animals after all. I am NOT a racist, i'm just curios.
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Philosopher, you are not serious, are you?
 
No, you are not a racist, you are just VERY ignorant. I am not trying to be rude here, but the question you asked is just too much ...
 
First of all, those are not called different "species" of dogs. Those are different "breeds".
 
Second, "race" is not a scientific concept. It is an artifically-created concept supported by pseudoscience, exploited by people with selfish political motives and embraced by people who are (1) incapable of independent thinking and/or (2) pure ignorant. There is only human diversity. There is nothing called "race" because all human beings belong to the same race.
 
And for your information, human diversity works in such a way that the degree of diversity within a supposedly homogeneous population such as Sweden is actually greater than that between the Swedish and, say, Ethiopian populations. What most people focus on are just superficial apperance-related features, such as skin colour and hair texture. 
 
There are numerous threads here at AE on this issue. Dig them out and read them. They may do you some good.  
 
 
 
 
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Failure? Speak for yourself perhaps, not the case with me. There is no "we".
It is not the challenges a people face which define who they are, but rather the way in which they respond to those challenges.

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Originally posted by The Philosopher The Philosopher wrote:

well i have a question, is it possible that people with different color skin are a different species of human kind?? i mean, a cat, with a different color of fur, same with dogs, is usually a different species of the dogs. i wonder if perhaps this is true with us humans, we are only animals after all. I am NOT a racist, i'm just curios


You only get species when you have reproductive isolation. Seeing how I and you and anyone else  here (except the 5 or so girls on AE  LOL) can copulate with a female of a different skin color, that makes us members of the same species.



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ok, i understand, thank you for answering my question both of you, flyingzone and mamikon, the ignorant only wait to be enlightened right??
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Failure? Speak for yourself perhaps, not the case with me. There is no "we".
 
Glad to know you're out of the human race.
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I would say it's not the failure of humans. Rather it's the failure of the concept of God. If everything is his creation, then why is it that there is still & always was so much of the bad & evil in the world, that too dominating the Good.
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Violence has been and probably will be forever a fact of life. We humans are semi-civilized animals and we easily let our instincs take control many times for individual survival and for other urges. 
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Originally posted by Vivek Sharma Vivek Sharma wrote:

I would say it's not the failure of humans. Rather it's the failure of the concept of God. If everything is his creation, then why is it that there is still & always was so much of the bad & evil in the world, that too dominating the Good.

because since the fall of man, in the garden of Eden, there has been an evil nature in man, and it's getting worse, it was mans choice for this to happen, not Gods. and as more and more people say that there is no God, or more people begin to worship Satan its getting worse.    
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Originally posted by The Philosopher The Philosopher wrote:

it was mans choice for this to happen, not Gods.

Then why did he create men capable of doing evil?
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It would be easy to change the topic into "Are we God's failure?" but I think humans should act responsible and stop blaming either God or the other guy (Satan, Belzebub, whoever) for their wrongdoings.
Anyway, if the abrahmanic big daddy exists, he surely is a really mean moron (I would have said SOB but I'm not sure if God is supposed to have a mother).
Religious fundamentalism is probably one of the ugliest things mankind has spawned.
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