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    Posted: 13-Jan-2006 at 10:14

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Angra Mainyu or Ahriman is the Evil Spirit of the one, true god Ahura Mazda in Zoroastrianism. Angra Mainyu is the adversary of Spenta Mainyu, the Good Spirit. Angra Mainyu is Avestan, Ahrisman is Middle Persian.

The name does not occur in the Old Persian inscriptions. In the Avesta he is called the twin-brother of the Holy Spirit, and contrasted with Spenta Mainyu. He is the all-destroying Satan, the source of all evil in the world and like Ahura Mazda, existed since the beginning of the world. Ahriman chose evil consciously, and by this act he created death. On Judgment Day he will be defeated by Spenta Mainya and will disappear from the present world forever. The later sect of the Zurvanites held that both were visible manifestations of the primeval principle zruvan akarana (infinite time).

The Zoroastrian belief in Angra Mainyu was passed onto Judeo-Christian beliefs through the concept of Satan, the chief agent of evil. Prior to Babylonian captivity (586-538 BC), Judaism held the belief that Satan was an agent of God and that he tested man's loyalty to God. After Cyrus the Great permitted the Jews to return to Jerusalem Satan became God's rival and the lord of evil.

The dualism of Zoroastrianism was a seminal influence on the Book of Revelation and on Apocalyptic literature. Neoplatonism also references Ahriman.

Etymologically it is interesting that Angra mainyu should be the angry spirit. However, Angra mainyu as a contrast to spenta mainyu is not a license to backtrack later western notions of the devil or satan. By conrasting the two Zoroaster distinguished the 2 poles of a particular dynamic. The dynamic is that of creation and destruction and is a whole with ahura mazda. One can see similar sentiments in the dravidian and later hindu conception of Shiva.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angra_Mainyu



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Dorood Zagros

Very interesting. The infuence of Iranian way of thinking and philosophy on other religions is greater than i have ever thought, adopting satan as God's rival and angles as God's helpers.

Btw i have heared the first time old testament has mentioned "judgments day" was by prophet Daniel, who was present in the persian's court. Is this true?

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It's likely.  While it lasted, the Achaemenid Persian empire did incorporate the region of Israel into its dominions, though the Jews were allowed some degree of autonomy within their land.  Likewise, the Zoroastarian religion also gets credited with bringing up the concept of Judgement Day and of the Hell that awaits those whose sins are judged to be too great for forgiveness.  Both of these concepts have become a major part of Christian teaching.
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Originally posted by YusakuJon3 YusakuJon3 wrote:

It's likely.  While it lasted, the Achaemenid Persian empire did incorporate the region of Israel into its dominions, though the Jews were allowed some degree of autonomy within their land.  Likewise, the Zoroastarian religion also gets credited with bringing up the concept of Judgement Day and of the Hell that awaits those whose sins are judged to be too great for forgiveness.  Both of these concepts have become a major part of Christian teaching.

YusakuJon, you must know my english sucks, i am so sorry, so i am not sure if i understand you correctly. You mean also Zoroastrian has adopted the concept of judgments day and hell from jews? if so, i have claimed the vice versa.

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lol wish i read this before I wrote my "thesis" in the other thread.... but if you want more information, look in the Zoastrianism thread, the influence of Zoastrianism on the abrahamic faiths is one of my interests.
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Hello
What is also interesting is that the Indo-Aryan priests in the earliest part of the Rig veda who worshipped the devas are called the Angirasas. And as im sure you know the devas took on a different role in the Avesta
A connection maybe???
There was definitely a counter part with Zaotar/hotar, atharvan/atravan, kavi etc
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Vedam: the Indian god name Angiras is said to be cognate with English angel.

Check out:
http://apodion.com/vad/article.php?id=24&aid=92

Zurvan/Zervan was also called prince of darkness.

See what I already said about dualism/'out' (and holistic/'in') somewhere else on this forum
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I wasn't trying to say that the Israelites gave the Persians the concept of Hell; in fact, it was the Persians who originated that concept.  From what I read in H M Olmstead's book on Achaemenid Persia, all those who chose the path of Ahriman (darkness and the lie) endure an eternity of fire and pain.  In other words, they go to Hell.
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I read somewhere that before the Jews were given freedom by Cyrus they believed everyone went to hell.  Only after the Iranians influanced them they began to believe in Heaven(for the good) and Hell(for the bad).

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