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Cyrus Shahmiri ![]() Tsar ![]() ![]() King of Kings Joined: 07-Aug-2004 Location: Iran Status: Offline Points: 3963 |
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Not actually Mesopotamia but western Iran, more exactly Luristan where Kassites lived, the ancient name, according to this article: THE KASSITE CONQUEST OF BABYLONIA was the land of the Kassites, the Guti, Padan, and Alman.
Why R1a?! You know that Haplogroup R1a: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1a_(Y-DNA) has the highest frequencies among Indo-Iranian peoples (North Indians 48%-72%, Tajik/Khojant 64%, ...), it can be true about Poles and other Eastern European peoples because of their Iranian ancestors like Sarmatians, Scythians, Iazyges, ... but why Germanic Goths?! Shouldn't it be Haplogroup I which has the highest frequencies in Scandinavia, the region in the northwest of Black sea and the Western Iran? Edited by Cyrus Shahmiri - 01-Jun-2009 at 15:40 |
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Flipper ![]() Arch Duke ![]() ![]() Joined: 23-Apr-2006 Location: Flipper HQ Status: Offline Points: 1814 |
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But that's not the way it works. It doesn't matter how many make the test... If the results are based on how many people take the test then it cannot be accurate. Most western countries have a DNA-bank of their citizens. That's where material is taken for research and comparison, not by the testers themselves. Has Igenea in this case contacted for example the Swedish, Norwegian and Finnish authorities to get a sample bank + samples from relics of dead people that have been found in ancient graves? I'm pretty sure i had some great great great great sami ancestors (Like probably most Swedish people) and i say this cause my swedish family has a tree from 1516AD onwards. In that case as you mention, if i took the test then no sami ancestry would be found in me. If amongst 1000 people in Sweden not a single "sami marker" is found then something is terribly wrong. If for the same amount only 8% is found in Finland, then something is terribly wrong again. Now, while browsing the site, something that struck me is that there's no Hallogroup N in Finland nor a LLY22 nor a U (or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_U_(mtDNA)) nor a K!!! Those are groups i have seen to appear in Finland in all other genetic reports. How come they are completely absent? http://www.igenea.com/index.php?content=49&id=15 When it comes to Sweden (http://www.igenea.com/index.php?content=49&id=47) the Hallogroups I1A (m253), K and U are completely absent!!! Now, have a look on this comment as well: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090524093928AALHMso
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Carcharodon ![]() Baron ![]() Joined: 04-May-2007 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 479 |
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The people of the battle axe culture had no metal weapons (at least not in Scandinavia), it was a stone age culture and the battle axes that gave the culture it´s name are of stone.
There is no sign of an invasion in the archaeological record, just a shift in culture among the earlier neolithic funnel beaker culture (there was influence from abroad but no actual invasion).
The Norse mythology is of so recent date that it is absolutely impossible to connect it with the Stone age several thousand years earlier!
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Carcharodon ![]() Baron ![]() Joined: 04-May-2007 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 479 |
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The sources to the Norse mythology are mostly Nordic runstones and medieval Icelandic manuscriptis that are between 3300 and 4000 years younger than the beginning of the Battle axe period. There is no possibility to connect these young sources with the stone age. All such claims are pure nonsense.
There is no evidence that the inundation of the Black Sea gave rise to the old tales of the flood. Many experts would rather refer such tales to inundations in the Eufrat and Tigris rivers.
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Cyrus Shahmiri ![]() Tsar ![]() ![]() King of Kings Joined: 07-Aug-2004 Location: Iran Status: Offline Points: 3963 |
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Barbapapa (Barbarossa), according to almost all ancient sources, the people who lived in ancient Poland were neither Slavs nor Germanic but Iranians, mostly Sarmatians and Scythians, archaeological findings like the golden Scythian treasure which was discovered on the Poland-Germany border, also confirm this fact, you can read more about it here: Bronze- and Iron-Age Poland, the fact is that people of Poland themselves also believe this thing, you probably know about Sarmatism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatism
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Carcharodon ![]() Baron ![]() Joined: 04-May-2007 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 479 |
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Hmmm... as long as I don´t have seen the data and the methods presented in a reliable peer reviewed journal I will have my doubts.
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Flipper ![]() Arch Duke ![]() ![]() Joined: 23-Apr-2006 Location: Flipper HQ Status: Offline Points: 1814 |
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I suggest you don't make such fast conclusions on countries that you're not a citizen, nor know how the law system works. I lived in Solna where the Karolinska institutet is situated. My mother worked in that hospital ![]() You still didn't answer how basic haplogroups found on other researches are completely absent... So you suggest that if i mail for example several european universities they can verify what Igenea claims to have collected? Shall I send a mail to Karolinska instituted and ask them if they ever got an application for access to samples? |
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As i said, if they publish their results in reliable peer reviewed journals, presenting the exact base of their research and what material they had access to (for example what skeletal material of ancient people) then it is much easier to evaluate their results.
Converted them to what?
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Cyrus Shahmiri ![]() Tsar ![]() ![]() King of Kings Joined: 07-Aug-2004 Location: Iran Status: Offline Points: 3963 |
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So in fact they were bastard not bastarn!
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