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    Posted: 22-Jul-2005 at 10:42
As Many of the other Nationalities engage in ceaseless pandering and self -aggrandizement.

Here is a Thread to counter many of the dubious claims of others..

While the Name Arab is derived of the wilderness and desert, The Earliest Arabs Origin is in the Lush Valleys of Yemen.

it is here as the desert encroached upon our valley that we entered into the sad period of the Blood fueds, that Our noble forefather Qahtan left his People and entered the eastern part of the Arabian Peninsula.

From Qahtan, you get the old Kings of Syria, and the Akkadians.

From Our Syriac Brothers(adnan) did we recieve the wonders of the desert at Palmyra and Petra.



It is from Adnans Root that we Get the Ka'ba, and the majority of our spoken and written language.

When has been insulted by an Iranian remind them.
The Camel is a Noble beast.
did not the camel carry him off from his throne and does not the flesh of a camel, whip him now?

When Insulted by a Turk, ask them.
How many nations did the arabs bring to islam, of them did not only spain and sicily escape?
How many nations did the turks bring to islam?
of which only two remained.


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LOL Khuzistan isn't even majority Arab, enough of the Saddamesque BS, and Northern Iraq is majority Kurdish speaking a non-Arab language, so they are not part of the so called "Arab" world, and I am sure the Amazighs/Berbers have something to say about their situation too.

You must sympathize with Baathist ideology right? The same Baathists that claim Salahudin as an ethnic Arab.

You know who Ibn Khaldun is?  Baathists hated him so much they burned his books.

I love keepers of history such as Ibn Khaldun who gave credit where it was due:

"…It is a remarkable fact that, with few exceptions, most Muslim scholars…in the intellectual sciences have been non-Arabs…thus the founders of grammar were Sibawaih and after him, al-Farisi and Az-Zajjaj. All of them were of Persian descent…they invented rules of (Arabic) grammar…great jurists were Persians… only the Persians engaged in the task of preserving knowledge and writing systematic scholarly works. Thus the truth of the statement of the prophet becomes apparent, 'If learning were suspended in the highest parts of heaven the Persians would attain it"…The intellectual sciences were also the preserve of the Persians, left alone by the Arabs, who did not cultivate them…as was the case with all crafts…This situation continued in the cities as long as the Persians and Persian countries, Iraq, Khorasan and Transoxiana (modern Central Asia), retained their sedentary culture."

The Muqaddimah Translated by F. Rosenthal (III, pp. 311-15, 271-4 [Arabic]; R.N. Frye (p.91)

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Please don't call Algerians Arab that is insulting as I am sure it would be for many others you have included. As for the garbage you have posted just read this post I had made previously it explains your behavior:


This is interesting, after reading through all these thread is seems that I am starting to understand some of the problems in the middle-east. There seems to be two younger cultures, turkic and arabic which are sounded by some of the oldest in the world, and they are under pressure because of that. To fix the problem turks and arabs seems to have taken different and at the same time similar approaches

First turkish approach, if you don’t have enough history make your own. What exactly is Turanoid. Has anyone studying anthropology in a reputable school ever heard of it? NO Turks have decided that there were these imaginary people that people lived in southern Russia looked white (with almond eyes) and had a native language that resembled closely to Mongolian. These people moved south and somehow magically all the people that lived there disappeared or got assimilated to these imaginary people. In fact Turks have made such a delusional version of history that they seems to have to fight with all their neighbors (Iranians, Kurds, Greek, Armenian, and Arabs) because their version of history does not match anyone else’s. I am not sure if there is any other group that has to fight in this many fronts

Second arab approach, if you don’t have enough history use linguistics. There were these people that lived in the Middle East long time ago. They somehow lost their identity and don’t exist in today’s Middle East. So when arabs come short they pull out the Semitic card. Because arabic has a few words that have similar roots as the language these people used that means these people  are related. Armenians speak a language that is in the same family as greeks. How often do you see an Armenian use greek history as if the are the same as Armenian. They don’t do that because Armenians have their own history and don’t need to borrow someone else’s, also geerks are still around to own their own history.

There is nothing wrong with not having a long history. If you want to identify yourself as turks and arabs then accepts that these people were nomads recently and don’t have much of a history and culture, or accept that many people that today are called turk and arab are just simply descendant of people whose identity was lost to invaders, and move on

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How can all related/unrelated topics turn into "bad Turks" thinggyys? Interesting...
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Originally posted by Al Bedawi Al Bedawi wrote:



When has been insulted by an Iranian remind them.
The Camel is a Noble beast.


Yes, camels show qualities of high moral character, such as courage, generosity, or honor



Originally posted by Al Bedawi Al Bedawi wrote:


When Insulted by a Turk, ask them.
How many nations did the arabs bring to islam, of them did not only spain and sicily escape?
How many nations did the turks bring to islam?
of which only two remained.


Yes, only spain and sicily escaped, but the rest many be digging tunnels under walls getting ready to escape. Have you seen escape from Alcatraz

 



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To Hani

My Maghrebi Brother.

I am a Libyan Bedouin (banu saada also known as banu sulym , Algeria is Majority arab (banu Hillal), the Only exceptions to this are with the Kabyle and in the extreme south where a mixed berber black people called the Toureg live.

If you do not like me calling Algeria arab go back home and complain to your GOVT, after all they joined the arab league in the 1960s.


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as for the Armenians, There are two armenian languages and two groups of armenians, anatolian armenians and the nation of armenia speak a Hellino-aryan language, while the ones in Lebanon cyprus and syria speak a aryan derived language.



There is no such thing as Semetic, This is something european protestants attempting to apply the bible to serious archelogical and racial studies its made up, No race of people ever called themselves semitic, The name is Arabu or Hairbaru or Haigaru.
 If one is to apply the bible to the Arabs than the Original Arab race, The Perishing arabs came from a Mixed group of Haminites and Shemites with some of Japtheth also.

The Pure Arabs "Qahtan" Lived in yemen and were mixed between the Shemites and the Haminites.

The Arabized Arab "Adanian or Ismaili" came from a Chaldean/Assyrian and an Egyptian.

The Ancient Arabs of Little remains still exist in socotura yemen, an Isolated island.
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Originally posted by Zagros Purya Zagros Purya wrote:

LOL Khuzistan isn't even majority Arab, enough of the Saddamesque BS, and Northern Iraq is majority Kurdish speaking a non-Arab language, so they are not part of the so called "Arab" world, and I am sure the Amazighs/Berbers have something to say about their situation too.

You must sympathize with Baathist ideology right? The same Baathists that claim Salahudin as an ethnic Arab.

You know who Ibn Khaldun is?  Baathists hated him so much they burned his books.

I love keepers of history such as Ibn Khaldun who gave credit where it was due:

"…It is a remarkable fact that, with few exceptions, most Muslim scholars…in the intellectual sciences have been non-Arabs…thus the founders of grammar were Sibawaih and after him, al-Farisi and Az-Zajjaj. All of them were of Persian descent…they invented rules of (Arabic) grammar…great jurists were Persians… only the Persians engaged in the task of preserving knowledge and writing systematic scholarly works. Thus the truth of the statement of the prophet becomes apparent, 'If learning were suspended in the highest parts of heaven the Persians would attain it"…The intellectual sciences were also the preserve of the Persians, left alone by the Arabs, who did not cultivate them…as was the case with all crafts…This situation continued in the cities as long as the Persians and Persian countries, Iraq, Khorasan and Transoxiana (modern Central Asia), retained their sedentary culture."

The Muqaddimah Translated by F. Rosenthal (III, pp. 311-15, 271-4 [Arabic]; R.N. Frye (p.91)

this is from Britannica about khuzistan

also spelled Khuzistan, formerly ʿarabestân, geographic region in southwestern Iran, lying at the head of the Persian Gulf and bordering Iraq on the west. It is notable for its oil resources.

More than half the population are Arabs who live in the plains; the rest are Bakhtyârîs and other Lurs (peoples of West Persia), with many Persians in the cities. Some of the Bakhtyârîs and Lurs are still nomads.

--------

still it is not part of the Arabic World  its part of iran and all Arabic countries recognise that.

and as for north Africa  its all Considered Arabic States and they are members of Arab league. 

so Officially they are Arabic States and that is not an Insult.

and what Ibn Khaldoon and this transilated article has to do with this subject?!

off course Arabs didnt need to make Grammer for their own language since it comes naturally, while non-Arabs who needed to learn the language would need to make grammers for it so it would be easier for them to understand and learn the language.

and Ibn Khaldoon is considered one of the respected scientists to Arabs.

Originally posted by hani hani wrote:

Please don't call Algerians Arab that is insulting as I am sure it would be for many others you have included. As for the garbage you have posted just read this post I had made previously it explains your behavior:


This is interesting, after reading through all these thread is seems that I am starting to understand some of the problems in the middle-east. There seems to be two younger cultures, turkic and arabic which are sounded by some of the oldest in the world, and they are under pressure because of that. To fix the problem turks and arabs seems to have taken different and at the same time similar approaches

First turkish approach, if you don’t have enough history make your own. What exactly is Turanoid. Has anyone studying anthropology in a reputable school ever heard of it? NO Turks have decided that there were these imaginary people that people lived in southern Russia looked white (with almond eyes) and had a native language that resembled closely to Mongolian. These people moved south and somehow magically all the people that lived there disappeared or got assimilated to these imaginary people. In fact Turks have made such a delusional version of history that they seems to have to fight with all their neighbors (Iranians, Kurds, Greek, Armenian, and Arabs) because their version of history does not match anyone else’s. I am not sure if there is any other group that has to fight in this many fronts

Second arab approach, if you don’t have enough history use linguistics. There were these people that lived in the Middle East long time ago. They somehow lost their identity and don’t exist in today’s Middle East. So when arabs come short they pull out the Semitic card. Because arabic has a few words that have similar roots as the language these people used that means these people  are related. Armenians speak a language that is in the same family as greeks. How often do you see an Armenian use greek history as if the are the same as Armenian. They don’t do that because Armenians have their own history and don’t need to borrow someone else’s, also geerks are still around to own their own history.

There is nothing wrong with not having a long history. If you want to identify yourself as turks and arabs then accepts that these people were nomads recently and don’t have much of a history and culture, or accept that many people that today are called turk and arab are just simply descendant of people whose identity was lost to invaders, and move on

lol hani

as i replied to you previously  give us proofs of what you are talking about.

at least examples that Arabs lost their Identity and dont exist in ME,

that so we would consider your statments for disscussion otherwise its nothing but  false and represent your own opinions.

and about North Africa being Arabic is an insult i think Al Bedawi's replay on that is enough.

Originally posted by Oguzoglu Oguzoglu wrote:

How can all related/unrelated topics turn into "bad Turks" thinggyys? Interesting...

lol

i dont know!!

 


 

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Lors and Bakhtiars are related to Persians, infact they can be considered nomadic Persians.

And I would like to see one legit map where Khuzestan is referred to as Arabistan, a name we call Saudi Arabia. 

And Baathists burned Ibn Khaldun's books because he dared speak the truth and cast shadow over their supremacist nonsense.

This was largely the structure of the caliphate:

Rulers: Arabs; Intellectuals and Scientists: Iranians; Soldiers: Turks

 

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Originally posted by azimuth azimuth wrote:

as i replied to you previously  give us proofs of what you are talking about.

at least examples that Arabs lost their Identity and dont exist in ME,

that so we would consider your statments for disscussion otherwise its nothing but  false and represent your own opinions.

 

I believe he is talking about Egyptians, Phoenicians, Babylonians, Assyrians etc..........

losing their identify and being called Arab today. Do you need proof of that?


Also, Arab league is just a political organization country being member of Arab league does not mean all/most people from that country consider themselves to be Arab

 

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no he is Not talking about Egyptians, Phoenicians, Babylonians, Assyrians etc...

he is saying Arabs lost their Identity and they dont exist anymore, and that Arabs claims to be of Semitic roots while they are not.

and Yes i need proofs about that.

 

of course Arab league does not  mean all/most people from that country consider themselves to Arab. IT means that this state Consider it self as an ARABIC STATE.

 

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Originally posted by hani hani wrote:

There were these people that lived in the Middle East long time ago. They somehow lost their identity and don’t exist in today’s Middle East. So when arabs come short they pull out the Semitic card. Because arabic has a few words that have similar roots as the language these people used that means these people  are related. Armenians speak a language that is in the same family as greeks. How often do you see an Armenian use greek history as if the are the same as Armenian. They don’t do that because Armenians have their own history and don’t need to borrow someone else’s, also geerks are still around to own their own history.

To me that dones not sound like Arabs lost their identity it means today's Arabs trying to link their history  to the like of Babylonians based on language roots.

 

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oh ok that makes more sense then ( the paragraph i meant not the statment itself), and when Arabs claimed that Babylonians are Arabs?! Arabs are always Arabs and both of them are considered Semitic aren't they?

and examples he gives such as how often Armenians use Greek history as if they are the same as Armenians?  are not logical example for what he is talking about

ok my Question to answer that would be How often did Arabs actully used Babylonians History as it is Arabic History?

i didnt come across such Arabs who called Babylonians as Arabs, they are mentioned when  Semitic History is in Address and Arabs are big part of that for sure. Also when talking about Arabs pre Islam we must get to the point when there were Semitic people which Arabs are from.!

whats strange about that?! unless he is saying that Arabs are not semitics then he needs to read more .

ok what about the rest?

we dont have long history?  long history compared to which civilisations? if you go to the World's history i guess we as Arabs would fall in long history which is said to be more than 5000 years old. iam Talking about Arabic not all semitics here.

 

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Dear Brother Azmith,

Salaam alikium wr wb , It is good to see a fellow noble son of the desert here,

I hate to disagree with you My brother but not every arab is semetic, The PURE Arabs (Qahtani) are derived from the progeny Yusef Ibn Qahtan if you are going to use these western terms and use the corrupt bible as historical data then The Pure Arabs were mixed between Ham and Shem.


To Me It doesnt matter we are One people no matter how they conspire to divide us. The Nobility of the Arab heart Endures.


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Ancient Cultures which were arab.


Dilmun

Petra

Himyar

Qadir

Ad

Thamud

Efflaq

Dedan

Kabul (pre hebrew Cannan)

Sheba

Temah

Paran (Mekka)

Palmyra


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Originally posted by azimuth azimuth wrote:

 

ok my Question to answer that would be How often did Arabs actully used Babylonians History as it is Arabic History?



This guy just used Petra as history of Arabs, and you think Arabs don't have history complex


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Originally posted by Miller Miller wrote:

 

Originally posted by Al Bedawi Al Bedawi wrote:



When has been insulted by an Iranian remind them.
The Camel is a Noble beast.


Yes, camels show qualities of high moral character, such as courage, generosity, or honor






I hope Al Badawi hangs around for a while he is just too funny


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Petra.

Was Founded by the Edomites.


Edom = Esau = Syria.

Esau lived with Ishamel

Esau+Ishamel (Ismail) = Adnan

Adanians = Hijaz,Banu Sulym,Banu Hillal, Banu Quraish etc...
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Nothing as Funny as an Arab calling themselves Berber.

From The Algerian Constitution From its Preable

The Values and Components of its Indentity are ISLAM ARABITY and Amazeghity.

Note Islam first

Arab second

and amizeghi (berber) third.


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I see This is how hani treats a close cousin.

Ive never known Berbers to dislike Libyans.
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