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    Posted: 19-May-2009 at 19:31
I took a class on the cause of the war between the states and I know there were blacks who were put into their own units to assist in the war by both sides but mainly them Yankees-

In that period of history the belief was that races should be separated so this is why the Chinese lived in their own communities and the Native Americans were put on reservations but his is not the topic.

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Did the rebels or the Yankees use Native American units during the War Between the States? I have seen images of black units but I have never seen any of native units; only individuals who fought.
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One that springs immediately to mind is Pike's Cherokee Brigade. They were a Confederate unit.
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Originally posted by Chookie Chookie wrote:

One that springs immediately to mind is Pike's Cherokee Brigade. They were a Confederate unit.


Come to think about it I have heard of this unit but I know little about it.
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Originally posted by eaglecap eaglecap wrote:



The topic question:

Did the rebels or the Yankees use Native American units during the War Between the States? I have seen images of black units but I have never seen any of native units; only individuals who fought.


Yes! I believe the figure stands currently, if i may round it out, to 30,000 troops.

Pictures of Native CW units, i think i have seen a very limited few. Maybe a i can scrounge some up for ya?
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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:


Originally posted by eaglecap eaglecap wrote:


The topic question:

Did the rebels or the Yankees use Native American units during the War Between the States? I have seen images of black units but I have never seen any of native units; only individuals who fought.
Yes! I believe the figure stands currently, if i may round it out, to 30,000 troops.Pictures of Native CW units, i think i have seen a very limited few. Maybe a i can scrounge some up for ya?


That would be good if you can find pics with whole units of Native American troops.
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Originally posted by eaglecap eaglecap wrote:



That would be good if you can find pics with whole units of Native American troops.




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As a side note, the last Confederate forces to surrender were a collection of Native American units in Oklahoma.  Evidently, the did not here immediatly about General Lee's surrender at Appamatox because of their remote location.  

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Cryptic, I always though Shelby's people, who went into Mexico in hopes of continuing the fight, were the last to surrender. Native Americans fought on both sides during the war, but often with White units. The Cherokee were split, with a unit under Stand Watie. (Heck, there was even a Mexican-American colonel, possible Pima Apache, named Benevides in the Confederate Army who has a school named for him in Mission Texas) But some Cherokees fought for the North. Eaglecap's initial premise as regards the Indians and Chinese is flawed. Segregation came post-reconstruction. The majority of Chinese lived in the West, and preferred to segregate themselves in order to live within Chinese communities. Nevertheless, they ran many businesses, such as laundry and restaurants, that catered to the mining communities at large. The Chinese were often "powder monkeys", i.e., those who set the explosives for blasting. This is because they were the most experienced in it, as explosives were routinely used in Chinese mining. The Indians got pushed onto reservations because waves of White settlement kept pushing them there. They could leave the Reservation and live among Whites, but very few chose to do so. When the government decided upon an assimilation policy in the late 19th Century, they set up centralized schools to educate and "de-tribalize" Indians which today are seen as a form of "cultural genocide". The segregation and miscegenation laws Eaglescap refers to applied to Blacks only.
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Originally posted by lirelou lirelou wrote:

...The Indians got pushed onto reservations because waves of White settlement kept pushing them there. They could leave the Reservation and live among Whites, but very few chose to do so. When the government decided upon an assimilation policy in the late 19th Century, they set up centralized schools to educate and "de-tribalize" Indians which today are seen as a form of "cultural genocide".
 
Sorry, but I can't agree with the idea that "very few chose to do so". If you count all the intermarriages from 1660s to 1860s alone, you would see that more than a few already leave the "reservation". All those marriages in the fur trade and other situations add up with time. No wonder a good percentage of Americans claim at least some native ancestry.
 
Originally posted by lirelou lirelou wrote:

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The segregation and miscegenation laws Eaglescap refers to applied to Blacks only.
 
That was true in Latin America as well. The racial discrimination was mainly towards Black rather than Indigenous people. However, cultural discrimination was also important. The "good Indian" had to forgot its native heritage and accept the "western ways", to be fully accepted.
 
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Oh, I forgot to mention the "U.S. Scouts". The U.S. Cavalry recruited a company of Indians per Regiment back in the 1880s. I no longer have by History of the U.S. Cavalry, but I believe that it was "L Troop", which would have numbered about 56 men. Since there were 10 Cavalry Regiments, that would have been about 500 Indians from various tribes. The Troop from the 6th U.S. Cavalry was stationed in Salt Lake City, at Fort Douglas. This post has been established in 1861 with the mission of "protecting the Overland Trail against Mormons and Indians". Since the Mormons believe that the Indians are descended from a lost tribe of Israel (the Lamanites), it want' long before the "Church" was busy proselytizing among the Indian Cavalrymen. I don't know how many conversions they made, but the idea that the "Overland Trail" was soon being protected by a troop of Mormon Indians does carry some irony. Of course, these were Cavalry! But, there were also a troop of Scouts attached to each Cavalry Regiment on service in the West. The last such troop, an Apache unit, was disbanded in 1942. Their lieutenant, who later became a general, wrote an account of his experiences.
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