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    Posted: 25-Jan-2009 at 04:53
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Al-Jahiz (in Arabic الجاحظ) (real name Abu Uthman Amr ibn Bahr al-Kinani al-Fuqaimi al-Basri) (born in Basra, c. 781 – December 868 or January 869) was a famous Arab scholar, believed to have been an Afro-Arab of East African descent. He was an Arabic prose writer and author of works on Arabic literature, biology, zoology, history, early Islamic philosophy, Islamic psychology, Mu'tazili theology, and politico-religious polemics.


Al-Jahiz (776-869): Al-Fakhar al-Sudan
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In the name of the Almighty, Merciful God; May God protect and keep you; let He make you
obey Him and make you part of his favorites. You mentioned – may Allah protect you from
deception – that you read my treatise (kitab) on the refutation of the pure Arabs to
those of mixed parentage, the replies of the mixed ones and the answers of their maternal
uncles. But I did not mention in it anything about the boasts of the Sudan. So know, -
may Allah preserve you – that I postponed that intentionally. And you mentioned that you
would like me to write to you the boasts of the Sudan, so I have written what I recall of
their boasts. Al-Asma'I said : Al-Fizr, a slave of the Fazara, who had a pierced earlobe
is known to have said: Harmony arrives quickly in the creation. Because of that goats
stay away from the sheep as long as there are goats around. The lamb avoids the
predators, and also does not feel close to the ones with big hoofs. Abu Zaid al-Nahwi
recited the following verse: Without harmony, man perishes. Saddad Al-Hariti - with
erudite eloquence - tells: “I requested from a black slave of the desert steppe:


-To whom do you belong, O Black one?
-To the Lord of Hadr (sedentary settlement), O Bald person.





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The poor guy was black and pobably the greatest prose writer in the Arab language, he was taunted alot for his look, he was called a Jinny by people. No wonder he has racist ideas.
 
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LOL, yea, Al-JAhiz "google-eyed" is what they called him. Not to stereotype, but big bulgy eyes are usually attributable to east Africans from the horn. I wonder if he was part Ethiopian? I read that his grandfather came from somewhere near there, I just forgot. The funny thing about Al-Jahiz is that he's written some equally disparaging things about Blacks, specifically the Zanj (Swahili). I heard it stated that he was conflicted with his own seemingly African identity as well as his ties to Arabia. It was suggested that he grew bitter towards the Zanj after the Zanj revolt (869-883 AD) which left many Arabs dead (including likely some of Al-Jahiz' people) and was probably the biggest slave rebellion in history. Though this is unlikely to be the reason since he died the same year that it started. I think in many ways, Al-Jahiz was an appeaser to both sides.
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I repeat, Sandiata. From which afrocentric club do you come? Who order you to enter "All Empires"?
"He who attempts to count the stars, not even knowing how to count the knots of the 'quipus'(counting string), ought to be held in derision."

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I repeat, ad hominem attacks shall be disregarded as the irrelevant taunts that they are.
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Sundiata, why did you post that?...... 

Is this your way of mentioning "Black Power" or something..... cause by the way,
where is this power?

Black blood was not strong enough to stop the Arab race from coming into being--it didn't save the Moors from being wiped off the planet. Nor has it stopped the slave trade in 2003 in North Africa--genocide and ethnic cleansing of "black blood" is being carried out in Sudan as we speak...nor has black blood stopped the atrocities in Brazil or made the Sicilians, Italians or Greeks acknowledge that by U.S. standards..they are all BLACK.

The thing that undermines the message of Black Power...is the self-hatred and in-action of Black people. You learned self-loathing when you got here to America.

How sad this is.

After everything that's happened to Blacks in America...to find the children running the parents...and to find 70% of black children without fathers...bling-bling and "every man for himself" now firmly replacing "it takes a village"....and everyone is so complacent, so passive. Why it's almost like the West African slave trade again.

folks standing around saying, "Oh don't worry 'bout it...just let life take its course."

You never speak of your own "culture" here in America--of which I know a lot about--but that culture is being allowed to die.

And die without any dignity whatsoever.



Edited by Melissa - 07-Feb-2009 at 21:14
Egyptian Hieroglythics in Karnak: "The Blacker she is, the more woman she is. Too much woman blocks the sun."
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This thread has gotten little attention. Imagine the controversy if someone made a similar thread citing literature on the superiority of whites over blacks, without adding any comment whatsoever.
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They dont have to, because they use it in their conscious language all the time.

Did you see the "albinos under threat' thread, they came running in the hundreds to defend there white-brothas and the common consensus is "see Africans as the savages they really are"


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Originally posted by Melissa Melissa wrote:

They dont have to, because they use it in their conscious language all the time.

Did you see the "albinos under threat' thread they came rushing in the millions to defend there white-brothas and the common consensus is "see black africans as the savages they really are"


I believe you are referring to my posts. LOL

And no, my intention was not to insult Black Africans and I never used the word "savages". If you read it more closely you will find I am merely telling people to see reality for what it is and to lay bare the hypocrisy of politically correct pseudo-intellectuals.
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Yes, but the responses are not "I feel so bad for those people" they're mean-sprited, "Look at what goes on in african societies! these things are widespread, i've never been there and have no idea what i'm talking about but my word is gospel cause i'm white"...

Let me point out (apparently I need to)that certain Africans groups indulge in prejudice murder to the same degree that all other cultures and peoples around the world do.

No one talks about the great, great Cannibalism of the Central Europeans or the American Indians of the WEST (California down to Baja and Texas, Arizona, New Mexico) or of the Mexican and Central American Empires----all who were arguably much more Cannibalistic than any African tribes ever were.

Of course Africans had so much more wild animal meat to eat year round---they didn't quite engage as heartily as other races did.

Especially not like those cold, frozen-in Scandinavians and Central Europeans and Russian Siberians. Who are all KNOWN flesh eaters.

But wait! only africans are capable of being "backwards"

Not like those Europeans who come to AFRICA each year just so they can have "Monkey Brains"---served hot and raw from the cracked open head of a still-alive Chimpanzee????

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Melissa, first you complain about mean-spirited remarks from Europeans and how they think of Black Africans as "savage", then you go on to make your own remarks that are just as mean-spirited and offensive about Europeans. I could hardly have asked for a better example of what I mean by pseudo-intellectual hypocrisy.

If you want to discuss European or American cannibalism then you should make a thread about it backed up with some sources, and not go on some emotional rant about it in a thread where it doesn't belong.
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