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    Posted: 21-May-2009 at 13:13
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Some domestic cats can really become oversized:
 
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OMG!  LOL
The bottom one clearly has been fed too much Kattomeat but the top one really is a huge cat!  Even its head is massive.  That would scare the life out of you on a dark night!  Is it real??
 
Anyway, the wallabies escaped from a private zoo in Derbyshire in 1940's.  They have now spread to Buckinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Oxfordshire and Berkshire.   They are red-necked wallabies, native to mountains in Tasmania, so are perfectly capable of surviving bad weather.
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Originally posted by Carcharodon

Some domestic cats can really become oversized:
 
   
 
         
 
Hey! That's Garfield! LOL
 
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By some strange coincidence, on today's news ..............!!
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Originally posted by Terri Ann

 
OMG!  LOL
The bottom one clearly has been fed too much Kattomeat but the top one really is a huge cat!  Even its head is massive.  That would scare the life out of you on a dark night!  Is it real??
 
Anyway, the wallabies escaped from a private zoo in Derbyshire in 1940's.  They have now spread to Buckinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Oxfordshire and Berkshire.   They are red-necked wallabies, native to mountains in Tasmania, so are perfectly capable of surviving bad weather.
 
No, it isn't real. It's a pretty well known photo, and it has been debunked many times.
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What are people doing with their cats?
 
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In Australia and Tasmania one often hears about alleged sightings of exctinct marsupials.
In Tasmania there are several rumoured sightings of the Thylacine (Thylacinus cynocephalus) who otherwise is thought to have gone exctinct in the year 1936.
 
In mainland Australia some people claim to have seen living animals and traces of what is supposed to be the Marsupial lion (Thylacoleo carnifex) a species that according to scientists went exctinct 30000 years ago.
 
 
 
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Interesting thread. So many thoughts running through my head. I've been looking at pictures and reading up on the supposed sightings of ABC's. I just have too many questions as to why i will not speculate on what it could because of the extreme lack of any verifiable research or answers. Some of them are:

1.) No known territorial range and habits of the creatures.

 2.) Are they very territorial like Tigers are known to be?

 3.) Do they form social hierarchical groups like lions? If not, then how is the family unit structured?

4.) Are there any known or recorded vocalizations from the animal? Are they more nocturnal then diurnal in their habits? That may explain a lot in the lack of even more eye witness sightings!

 5.) What or which do they primarily feed on if not for the plentiful amount of native fauna, sheep or perhaps the occasional cow that dot the countryside that would cause them to be overlooked in Great Britain?

6.) And hypothetically speaking, if they eventually come to be known for what they prefer feeding only on, which would be the more predominant or preferred food source: Native fauna, sheep and or perhaps the occasional cow? Then it "might" be possible too deduce the population size with a little mathematical wizardry in pouring over the expected reported incidents made to the local police by the local shepherds of the area in question (Of course, i am leaving the native fauna out of the equation and focusing most particularly in this scenario on sheep or cows, because of the obvious, easier starting point!)

If i was forced into speculating an answer though, i would be in agreement with most here (Excepting the released ones of course!) in guessing that, while obviously belonging to the Felidae family, they do not belong to the genus Panthera, unless reported and proven otherwise. Thusly... they are reported as big cats, but are not true big cats like Tigers, Leopards, Lions or Jaguars. These types are known, that when wounded or lacking any other further alternative food source, would turn to eating humans under extrordinary circumstances!

But this type, judging from quite a few reports i have had the chance too read and pictures of quite low quality too look over, is probably more somewhere in between the family of Prionailurus to Leopardus and probably not much higher than that in the Felidae hierarchy? Much like the leopard cat, Puma, Bobcat, Lynx or Ocelot. Not exactly the type of potential man eaters that would concern and prompt the government or any other scientific organizartions into investigating this phenomenon further!

It's a pity. It would be interesting to see what they would have came up with if they ever bothered themselves into looking this over? Leaving it to the individual scientist who would be doing it on their own time, or in the scientific communities own looked-down-upon fringe groups, like paranormal researchers for instance!

Anyways, i hope this post does not sound or come across as condescending, as i find most things related to Cats, big or small, to be quite fascinating!

All the best to you and welcome to the forums,

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Maybe they are just domestics turned wild, and perhaps they're hybrids, as have been suggested.

In the US the Maine Coon cats came to existence all on its own, as the descendants of released domestics (or so one of the theories go) yet it sort of evolved in to a large, robust and long legged cat with a long fur, and a powerful head. It looks quite different from other cats. So there is the possibility of feral cats to sort of evolve certain traits, without any external genetic contribution, even in a fairly short amount of time.

On the other hand, I've seen no real evidence of any specific type of feral/wild cat in Britain, except the Scottish Wild Cat. As I said, when someone measured the alleged kellas cats, or cats which were supposed to be kellas cats, they were just ordinary domestic cat size.

Certainly nothing like a puma, or even a lynx.

Even if someone saw a jungle cat at a distance, it would be hard to tell that it wasn't a normal domestic, unless the person was very well versed in the subject of wild cat species. It doesn’t fit with most of the descriptions, though, because they’re usually said to have long tails.

The reason they’re often mentioned I believe, is because some of them actually have been caught in Britain.
 
The Jungle cat:
 
The lynx - a very distinct looking cat - but almost tailless.
Summer coat:
 
None of them fit with the most common descriptons.
 
Ps. this is the kind of video that would matter - this was filmed in Germany, and it is obviously wild lynx. Lucky fella.
Some large siberian lynx - but the wild ones are often smaller!


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Originally posted by Panther

Interesting thread. So many thoughts running through my head. I've been looking at pictures and reading up on the supposed sightings of ABC's. I just have too many questions as to why i will not speculate on what it could because of the extreme lack of any verifiable research or answers. Some of them are:

1.) No known territorial range and habits of the creatures.

 2.) Are they very territorial like Tigers are known to be?

 3.) Do they form social hierarchical groups like lions? If not, then how is the family unit structured?

4.) Are there any known or recorded vocalizations from the animal? Are they more nocturnal then diurnal in their habits? That may explain a lot in the lack of even more eye witness sightings!

 5.) What or which do they primarily feed on if not for the plentiful amount of native fauna, sheep or perhaps the occasional cow that dot the countryside that would cause them to be overlooked in Great Britain?

6.) And hypothetically speaking, if they eventually come to be known for what they prefer feeding only on, which would be the more predominant or preferred food source: Native fauna, sheep and or perhaps the occasional cow? Then it "might" be possible too deduce the population size with a little mathematical wizardry in pouring over the expected reported incidents made to the local police by the local shepherds of the area in question (Of course, i am leaving the native fauna out of the equation and focusing most particularly in this scenario on sheep or cows, because of the obvious, easier starting point!)

If i was forced into speculating an answer though, i would be in agreement with most here (Excepting the released ones of course!) in guessing that, while obviously belonging to the Felidae family, they do not belong to the genus Panthera, unless reported and proven otherwise. Thusly... they are reported as big cats, but are not true big cats like Tigers, Leopards, Lions or Jaguars. These types are known, that when wounded or lacking any other further alternative food source, would turn to eating humans under extrordinary circumstances!

But this type, judging from quite a few reports i have had the chance too read and pictures of quite low quality too look over, is probably more somewhere in between the family of Prionailurus to Leopardus and probably not much higher than that in the Felidae hierarchy? Much like the leopard cat, Puma, Bobcat, Lynx or Ocelot. Not exactly the type of potential man eaters that would concern and prompt the government or any other scientific organizartions into investigating this phenomenon further!

It's a pity. It would be interesting to see what they would have came up with if they ever bothered themselves into looking this over? Leaving it to the individual scientist who would be doing it on their own time, or in the scientific communities own looked-down-upon fringe groups, like paranormal researchers for instance!

Anyways, i hope this post does not sound or come across as condescending, as i find most things related to Cats, big or small, to be quite fascinating!

All the best to you and welcome to the forums,

Panther


 
I guess they are to some extent territorial.  There will be many sightings in one area for months; even years - the "Surrey Puma" and the "Beast of Bodmin Moor (!)" being two of the most famous and enduring.  The Surrey Puma was caught on cine camera running across a suburban back garden while a family barbeque was in progress.  The film was on the telly - there was no doubt in anyone's mind that it was a puma.  It sparked a serious, wide-spread hunt for the creature, but despite hundreds of sightings in Surrey over at least 5 years, it was never found.   But that was years and years ago.  The Surrey Puma is presumably long dead.
 
They seem to live largely on sheep, the UK is full of sheep.   And if not sheep, there are plenty of deer, rabbits, large game birds ......    
 
Cubs have been seen, and I believe that all of the very few minor attacks of humans were later found (using track evidence) to involve a mother cat with cubs.
 
They are seen day and night, though perhaps more at dusk, and they are vocal at night.  i have (sane and sensible)  friends who live in the West country who regularly hear snarls and growls echoing around the hills at night.
 
 


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I'm sorry, but that article is bollocks. That's the only way to describe it. Why? Just read this statement:
"'This is no dog,' he said. 'They have slashes across them, deep rips in their sides, their guts have been pulled out and their ears ripped off. Two have had their throats ripped out."
 
Oh boy is he ever wrong about that. He is actually describing canine hunting behaviour, not cat behaviour. I.e. he doesn't know what he is talking about.
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Not having a clue about cat/dog hunting techniques, I had to go away and talk to some people about that!
 
You are right Jams, dogs do rip throats out, and cats go for throat bites or strangulation, but the animals themselves don't always follow the rules, especially if hunting an animal that is not their natural prey.
 
Dogs, however, don't generally rip sides - not having sharp enough claws to do so.   It's apparently near impossible to tell, for an absolute fact, whether a dog, or a cat, has killed a sheep, especially if it is suspected that a fox, crow or any other scavenger has been there also, but in this instance, all the sheep (as did others in the same area) have deep slashes to their sides, which is definitely more cat than dog.  Ripping out the throat might well have occurred because the sheep were heavily fleeced, making the typical throat bite or strangulation almost impossible to execute.
 
 
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I don't think so. Often big cats bite around the mouth, which is an alternative technique to throat biting. Maybe individual cases of "ripping out the throat" may have happened, but it is a completely un-cat behaviour if it happens regularly. In fact, cat jaws aren't bult for that, while dog jaws are.
Cat's don't "rip sides" either, they hold on to their prey with the claws. Dogs do bite, though, so it could be bites. Not uncommon in feral dog attacks are multiple biting everywhere.
 
I'd apply Ockham's Razor on this one, it seems like dogs to me. There's also the possibility of post-death injury from badgers and the like, as you sort of mentioned yourself. In fact, the animal may have died from other causes than any attack, and all injury could come from post-death scavenging.
 
In other words, it cannot be determined what caused the scars, but the throat ripping is one sign of a dog attack. I see no reason to believe that any cat was involved in this.
 
By the way, my comment was made because the guy mentioned those things as evidence of a cat attack, including the throat ripping, which shows that he does not know about how these things happen.
 
If they found a sheep hanging on a tree branch, THAT would be something.


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