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    Posted: 17-Apr-2009 at 12:28
This is something I think everyone should watch especially people who view black people as primitive etc. I learned a few things I never knew in this vid. It talks about many ancient black African cultures, and their contributions to the world that go under looked...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=646422939488958030&hl=en
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It is very difficult to learn something from the myth-teller that is Ivan Van Sertima. Better research serious schoolars. Fields such as the archaoelogy of ancient Nigeria are fascinating, but we don't need clowns as Van Sertima to mislead us.

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Are you saying the facts about Ta seti pre dating Egypt, the mathamatics, and sciences used by black "negroid" , "nubian" africans are wrong?

I"ve checked out these things, and he was indeed corrects about these things, and thats what I'm most interested in. And the writing, and things used in Ta Seti, nubia , "land of the bow" pre dating Egypt , why arn't more Egyptologist talking about this is what I want to know. If you find Hyroglyps, and the Falcon Horus in Ta seti that pre dates EGypt.... thats a big deal. And would suggest many things, and would question the way we view Egypt.
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Originally posted by dieheart dieheart wrote:

Are you saying the facts about Ta seti pre dating Egypt, the mathamatics, and sciences used by black "negroid" , "nubian" africans are wrong?
 
Probably not in that topic. The problem is that author mixed facts with fantasy.

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I"ve checked out these things, and he was indeed corrects about these things, and thats what I'm most interested in. And the writing, and things used in Ta Seti, nubia , "land of the bow" pre dating Egypt , why arn't more Egyptologist talking about this is what I want to know. If you find Hyroglyps, and the Falcon Horus in Ta seti that pre dates EGypt.... thats a big deal. And would suggest many things, and would question the way we view Egypt.
 
Yeap. You better check carefully whatever that guy say. That's all.
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From what I know, the only real problem was with the african origins in the Americas.

Either way, the findings in that tomb are not talked about much at all, and that imo says alot about the people doing the work.
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"Van Sertima has been criticized by academics for making ill-founded Afrocentric claims. A lengthy 1997 Journal of Current Anthropology article criticized in detail many elements of Van Sertima's 1976 book They Came Before Columbus. The book had not earlier received a thorough professional academic review. They stated that in claiming African origins for prehistoric Olmec culture (in present-day Mexico), Van Sertima had ignored the work of Central American researchers. They stated no evidence of a prehistoric African influence or presence had been found in controlled archeological excavations in the New World. The reviewers also wrote that Olmec stone heads only superficially appear to be African and did not resemble the Nubian populations which Van Sertima claimed as their originators. They ruled as "fallacious" his claims for the diffusion of pyramid building and mummification. In addition, they accused Van Sertima's cultural outlook of being disparaging to Native American achievements. Van Sertima has sparred with some of his critics, but he did not respond to the 1997 Journal of Current Anthropology criticism.

In a New York Times 1977 review of Van Sertima works, British scholar Glyn Daniel called Van Sertima's work "ignorant rubbish”, concluding that the writings of Van Sertima (and Barry Fell, whom he was also reviewing) “give us badly argued theories based on fantasies.”. Dean R. Snow, a professor of anthropology, in 1981 wrote that Van Sertima "uses the now familiar technique of stringing together bits of carefully selected evidence, each surgically removed from the context that would give it a rational explanation." He goes on, "The findings of professional archaeologists and physical anthropologists are misrepresented so that they seem to support the [Van Sertima] hypothesis.""

http://www.answers.com/topic/ivan-van-sertima

http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1981/6/1981_6_102.shtml

His study of the lost sciences of Africa could be interesting, but his work on Black Egyptians and Black influence on Pre-Columbian American civilization seem like the usual afrocentrist fare.



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Originally posted by dieheart dieheart wrote:

From what I know, the only real problem was with the african origins in the Americas. ...
 
Van Sertima not only lied about the origins of the Olmecs (very evident for people who knows about the ancient Americas), he also lied purposedly on the Moors of Spain (which is also evident for people who knows the history of Spain in detail).
 
Knowing that, he is a very unreliable author. He may mention interesting topics, though, but you better checked them out with other sources.
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Besides, Van Sertima is not African. He is from Suriname. With respect to his "PhD"and his title of "doctor", I wonder if that is not another of his fantasies.
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