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    Posted: 30-Dec-2008 at 09:48
This shall be our portal for compiling the source lists for each category on the main site. So far, Parnell, Edgewaters and myself will be overseeing the compilations, but anyone with expertise in certain categories is more than welcome to contribute! If you want to, just post which category/ies you are willing to take up.

The categories are:

# Ancient Near East - Aster Thrax Eupator
Civilizations such as Egypt, Babylon, and the Persian Empires until 600s AD
# Ancient Mediterranean and Europe - Knights, Aster Thrax Eupator
Greece, Macedon, Rome and the cutures of classical antiquity.
# East Asia
East Asian civilizations such as China, Korea and Japan
# Steppes & Central Asia
Huns, Turks, Mongols and other cultures of the Steppes and Central Asia.
# South and SE Asia
Civilizaiton of the Indian Subcontinent and Southeast Asia
# Medieval Europe - Knights, es_bih, King John
Europe from the fall of Rome to the renaissance
# Islamic Middle East - es_bih
Islamic Civilizations of the Post-classical Middle East
# African History (-1750)
Precolonial history of Western, Central, and Southern Africa
# Pre-Columbian Americas - edgewaters
Cultures of the Americas before c. 1500 AD
# Early Modern Era
World history from 1500 to c. 1800
# 19th Century (1789-1914)
World history from c. 1789 to to 1914
# 20th Century
History from World War I onward
# 21st Century
History from the year 2000

It would be good if we could put post people with expertise to certain categories. Before we start compiling per se, I think we should decide on a referencing format. I am most comfortable with Oxford style referencing - what do others think?

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Here is how I would envisage a small bibliographical entry for a broad period:

History of Britain, 1000-1485

D. Carpenter, The Struggle for Mastery: The Penguin History of Britain, 1066-1284 (2003)

Davies, R.R., Domination and Conquest: The Experience of Ireland, Scotland and Wales, 1100-1300 (1990)

Davies, R.R., The First English Empire: Power and identities in the British Isles, 1093-1343 (2000)

Frame, R., The Political Development of the British Isles, 1100-1400 (1990/1995)


For a more specific period I would imagine something like this:

Weimar Republic

Kolb, Eberhard The Weimar Republic, London 1988, 2nd ed. 2005 (Excellent synthesis & historiographical guide) recommended for purchase; Routledge pb c. £20)

Mommsen, Wolfgang ‘The German Revolution 1918-1920: political revolution and social protest movement’, in: Bessel & Feuchtwanger, Social Change, pp. 21-54. 943.085 M1;5

Nicholls, Anthony J. Weimar and the Rise of Hitler, London: Macmillan, 3rd edition, 1991, 4th ed. 2000 (useful, readable narrative). 943.085 K8*3

Peukert, Detlev The Weimar Republic. The Crisis of Classical Modernity, London 1991, 943.085 M78;1 (8 copies available). Stimulating, important interpretation.



Note that these bibliographies have been taken direct from my universities website: tcd.ie/history.

I think we should also try to add a brief synopsis of the books if we are familiar with them. Something like, 'revionist Marxist study' or 'American Revolution from a British perspective' etc.

I think this has a lot of potential. I often find it hard to find a good book to start off with. I think its important the list is kept intelligently brief, and with new age, popular history stuff kept to a minimum.
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OK looks good. As long as we keep the sourcing uniform it should be great. Are you happy to use the aforementioned categories as a framework?

Also, I think the brief synopsis is a fabulous idea!

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For now, they work fine. We need people who are familiar with their own fields. I'm happy adding stuff for European and Irish history, (And maybe US history) but anything outside of that is beyond me.
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I'm very familiar with Medieval English History (c.873-1226) and Medieval Scandinavian History (to a lesser extent).
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I like the idea of a brief synopsis too ... titles alone are sometimes not enough to tell the reader whether it's introductory material or more advanced material, whether its a general overview or covers a very specific topic, whether it's a primary source or secondary source, etc

Originally posted by Parnell

I think its important the list is kept intelligently brief, and with new age, popular history stuff kept to a minimum.

I couldn't possibly agree more! Keeping the static noise to a minimum is a must.

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Hmmm...I don't fit those categories very well. I can contribute on a thematic basis (as opposed to particular periods) in naval history and the history of scence, maths and economic thought. But many books cover many of the listed periods.
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Oh! Another thought came to me. Perhaps we could also include links where the work in question is available at Project Gutenburg or the like ...

I was thinking of this because there are sometimes primary source materials available there or elsewhere. For instance the Voyages of Samuel de Champlain and The Book of Ser Marco Polo, the Venetian: Concerning the Kingdoms and Marvels of the East are both available online. Easy access to such materials might make the bibliography more functional and useful.

Maybe just for primary sources, though? If it was kept restricted to primary sources only, we wouldn't be opening the floodgates to Internet junk.

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A lot of Marxist books are hosted on websites online. A lot of shorter books are online somewhere, such as Orwells books...

Links to books online should be included, like Questia, but alas I don't ever look at them so amn't familiar with them.
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I have updated the categories to include Aster, es_bih and King John. Gcle, we'd be happy for you to contribute your expertise for any of the categories, in the specialty areas you mentioned.

Links are a good idea also (if available of course).

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OK we are still waiting on the main site 'Add Page' function to get back to full capacity, before we begin the bibliographies. I will inform you when this happens.

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