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Originally posted by think think wrote:

There seems to be a lot of killing that went on during Russias advancements. For example i read about 7 million Ukranians that dissapeared during the 1930's yet until i read about it on the net I had never heard about it.


It is called the Holodomor. The Soviets tried to conceal it, and it only became known after Ukrainian independence in 1991. Ukrainians is now pushing towards its recognition as a Soviet instigated genocide. BBC reports on it here.
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But who are trying to get recognition from?

Stalin, a Georgian bore the responsibility...
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Originally posted by mamikon mamikon wrote:

But who are trying to get recognition from?

Stalin, a Georgian bore the responsibility...


Recognition from Russia the EX-Soviet state Confused
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Holodomor is very true, but how is Russia to blame...as strange as it might sound, none of the Soviet "dictators" were Russian except Gorbachev...and he is the one who destroyed it.
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And Hitler was Austrian, wasn't he? Maybe blame those dastardly Österreicher for the Holocaust then?
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He was a German, from Austria (with Jewish heritage...)

Also, he was not alone in the extermination of Jews...Goering, Himmler, Heydrich and there were many others.

In the Soviet Union, Stalin had an ultimate power. In 1938 a certain Russian high ranked official (I forgot the name) close the door on Stalin's face when the extent of death due to the gulags and extensive industrializtion became apperent, he died shortly after.

After WWII, historians put most of the Holocaust blame on Hitler, in 1970 most of the blame was put on the SS, today both are taken into account...or so I am told by my European Hsitory professor.
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Golodomor(in Russian) or Holodomor(in Mova) wasn't a genocide because it was not affecting a particular nation-the Ukranian in the case(whether such existed then is a question) but a whole class in the soviet society: the peasantry, not only in Ukraine but in Southern Russia too. The current actions of the Ukrainian parliament on proclaiming the Holodomor as a genocide have a typical political character and almost none historical background behind.
    

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