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    Posted: 21-Apr-2009 at 22:23
The question on the legality of Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence back from 2008, will be possibly the biggest case at the International Court of Justice in its history. A total of 35 countries have decided to get involved and have submitted their confidential documents on their personal viewpoints, and those are:

Czechia, France, Cyprus, China, Switzerland, Romania, Albania, Austria, Egypt, Germany, Slovakia, Russia, Finland, Poland, Luxemburg, Lybia, Great Britain, America, Serbia, Spain, Iran, Estonia, Norway, Netherlands, Slovenia, Latvia, Japan, Brazil, Ireland, Denmark, Argentina, Azerbeijan, Maldives, Sierra Leone and Bolivia.

The case is also of significant importance, as most of the world is watchful for the Advisory Opinion's results, more than a hundred countries which by large are for now against Kosovo's independence. This includes Serbia, which has publicly dedicated itself to accept the ICJ's opinion as a guideline in the Kosovo Status Process and countries like Montenegro will revoke their recognition for example, based upon the ICJ's findings.

Rofl, Sierra Leone? LOL
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How on earth can you possibly define whether a declaration of independence is legal or not? I mean, maybe we could convene a group of countries to decide whether the US's declaration from the Empire was legal or not.
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Considering that I expected this to be basically a European matter + Turkey & Russia, its pretty good to have countries like Maldives, Sierra Leone, Japan and Bolivia on it. It means there is a decent chunk of countries that have absolutely no geopolitical interests in the Balkans, and don't have any history with either Albanians or Serbs.
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Yougoslav.

So far 21 of those 35 are have submited their interest in the pro-indipendence camp.
Lets see what happens.Jeremic might be shooting himself in the foot.
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Anyway all diplomats agree that the ruling will have little effect, this is just Serbian government trying to tell its people that you see, we are actually doing something about Kosovo,when in fact it should come out clean and accept that Kosovo does not wish to be part of Serbia,and tell them that it was the gangsters who claimed to be patriots that f... up and lost Kosovo forever.
As i said Kosovos government and the US and the other big guys have already said that the ruling is of little importance.
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Originally posted by HEROI HEROI wrote:

Yougoslav.

So far 21 of those 35 are have submited their interest in the pro-indipendence camp.
Lets see what happens.Jeremic might be shooting himself in the foot.
:-)
Anyway all diplomats agree that the ruling will have little effect, this is just Serbian government trying to tell its people that you see, we are actually doing something about Kosovo,when in fact it should come out clean and accept that Kosovo does not wish to be part of Serbia,and tell them that it was the gangsters who claimed to be patriots that f... up and lost Kosovo forever.
As i said Kosovos government and the US and the other big guys have already said that the ruling is of little importance.


Not necessarily. There are considerations from Czechia e.g. to withdraw the recognition of Kosovo's independence.

Actually, that is not quite so. Most of the world is indeed watchful of the ICJ decision and will base its opinion on that. Even countries like Montenegro, which recognized Kosovar independence, have publicly stated that if the ICJ's ruling is that it was illegal - they will withdraw their recognition.

But what's most important, is that Serbia has dedicated itself to accept the ICJ's advice as the final guideline of the Kosovo Status Process, no matter what the result may be.

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How on earth can you possibly define whether a declaration of independence is legal or not? I mean, maybe we could convene a group of countries to decide whether the US's declaration from the Empire was legal or not.
Quote Sierra Leone?

Considering that I expected this to be basically a European matter + Turkey & Russia, its pretty good to have countries like Maldives, Sierra Leone, Japan and Bolivia on it. It means there is a decent chunk of countries that have absolutely no geopolitical interests in the Balkans, and don't have any history with either Albanians or Serbs.


Well, that excludes Japan then, doesn't it? Big smile

P.S. How? Haven't you ever heard of the International Court of Justice before?
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P.S. How? Haven't you ever heard of the International Court of Justice before?
 
You think I.C.J could give Kosova back to Serbia? Smile 
 
 
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Originally posted by erkut erkut wrote:

Originally posted by Yugoslav Yugoslav wrote:


P.S. How? Haven't you ever heard of the International Court of Justice before?
 
You think I.C.J could give Kosova back to Serbia? Smile 
 


Erkut, what kind of a question is that?

Obviously we haven't talked before. Tongue
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Yugo.
I told you.This is a pathetic atempt by the Serbian government to hide the the truth that is like the Sun,that is Kosovo is now an indipendent state recognised by all the countries that needs to be recognised from.
21 out of the 35 countries that are involved are pro-indipendece.
Kosovos government but also the big guys have repetedly said that the ICJ ruling will be irelevant with regard to Kosovos indipendence.No country has ever asked for an international bodys permition before declaring indipendence,so this is really all about hanging on a lost cause.
Now you can say what you want but if i was a Serb i would have some prety good questions to ask my government.
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Originally posted by Yugoslav Yugoslav wrote:

Well, that excludes Japan then, doesn't it?

hmmm, I think I missed something here... why does it exclude Japan?
Quote P.S. How? Haven't you ever heard of the International Court of Justice before?

I have heard of it before, but I can't say I've ever paid much attention to it. Its not particularly relevant in this part of the world, can you imagine Indonesia trying to invalidate East Timors independence in the ICJ? Or the Soloman Islands bringing charges against Australian Police? I can't.
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Quote There are considerations from Czechia e.g. to withdraw the recognition of Kosovo's independence.


So far I have only heard that in Serbian newspapers, particularly ones like KosovoCompromise, Serbia and RadioSerbia... do you have any non-Serb sources to substantiate this? I seriously havnt see any...
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Originally posted by HEROI HEROI wrote:

Yugo.
I told you.This is a pathetic atempt by the Serbian government to hide the the truth that is like the Sun,that is Kosovo is now an indipendent state recognised by all the countries that needs to be recognised from.
21 out of the 35 countries that are involved are pro-indipendece.
Kosovos government but also the big guys have repetedly said that the ICJ ruling will be irelevant with regard to Kosovos indipendence.No country has ever asked for an international bodys permition before declaring indipendence,so this is really all about hanging on a lost cause.
Now you can say what you want but if i was a Serb i would have some prety good questions to ask my government.


HEROI, I respect and acknowledge everyone's opinion, but frankly, I do not think such opinion (hiding the truth that is like the Sun) rational, or at least logical.

Imagine the Republic's President Boris Tadic declaring that a specific territory (Kosovo in this case) should secede from the country he is presiding, ask for amending the Constitution, etc. That would make him quite possibly the stupidest political leader in the history of the Serbian state, and among the stupidest in the history of the human race. The Serbian government does not try to "lie its people", nor is it "leading a foolish lost cause". I am actually starting to really find bizarre objections from certain people, who even make fun of steps like these (the adoption of the resolution in the UN General Assembly asking the International Court of Justice to voice its opinion, or reaching the 5-point-plan for Kosovo with the Chancellor of the United Nations) - remarks such as these are not based on thinking through before saying out, and are most probably based upon lack of knowledge, or information, to be precise.

The first mistake everyone makes, not just about Serbia, or Kosovo, or China, or any other part of the globe, is observing it as if it was one whole mass entity, fully homogenous. Looking at comments from some politicians across people I've met on official business, to even perhaps members of this very forum, I've got the impression that they believe that Serbia (just an example, could be any state in the world) is a county which is 100% ethnically pure Serb, in which 100% of the population are Eastern Orthodox Christians and all highly pious without a single agnostic, in which all people are aged 55 years old constantly, in which there are no women (or children, as could be concluded from the previous dot), but just men, all of whom share completely the same ideals (all are national-conservatives, all love Russia and hate America, are heterosexuals, omnivores, all like the blue color as their favorite, all hear neo-folk songs from 1 same singer and none can paint), all with the very same weight (80 kg), same height (175 cm), all have 1 missing tooth, wear glasses, excel at maths (which is due to the fact that all have the IQ of precisely 114) and apparently, none of them can write poetry. Also according to these very same opinions, whenever there are elections, the turnout is 100% and all vote for the grossly corrupt far left political party which is called "Serbian Political Party" (100% of the ballot).

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Originally posted by Yugoslav Yugoslav wrote:

Well, that excludes Japan then, doesn't it?

hmmm, I think I missed something here... why does it exclude Japan?
Quote P.S. How? Haven't you ever heard of the International Court of Justice before?

I have heard of it before, but I can't say I've ever paid much attention to it. Its not particularly relevant in this part of the world, can you imagine Indonesia trying to invalidate East Timors independence in the ICJ? Or the Soloman Islands bringing charges against Australian Police? I can't.


East Timor and the Solomon Islands are independent and sovereign internationally-recognized countries, Member States of the United Nations (which is the most important thing). As far as I know, Indonesia does not dispute the existence of those two countries.

Your country actually already brought up a case with the International Court of Justice. It was about the two Palau islands, Ligitan and Sipadan. It lost the case, and thus the two islands went to Malaysa, so I'm not sure how can you say that it isn't relevant in that part of the world... The Republic of Indonesia indeed did have similar separatist movements with the ones over in these regions - Aceh being the most comparable example to Kosovo. Imagine that Aceh declares/declared independence from Indonesia, and some foreign factions recognize it as such - it'd be only normal for Indonesia to question the legality of such unilateral declaration of independence over at the ICJ.

Why Japan? Well, Japan has a lot of history with this region. The people in here have been at war with Japan, at least on paper, during the Russo-Japanese war at the begining of the previous century. Some people in the region, especially the Montenegrins, served as battlefield commanders of the Russian armed forces or as volunteers. There were quite some epics created both in here and Japan, including epic legends, mythic-inspired duals, full of that same bizarre warrior-honor, etcetera. Japan has translated Balthazzar Bogisic's general property code to Japanese around that time, the opus of Serbian epic literature has also been translated into Japanese for these same reasons (although considerably later). Japan is the greatest investor from Asia in the region and the greatest donor to Serbia in its history. The Japanese Ambassador is the Honorary Citizen of Belgrade, who will soon receive a monument. The Empire of Japan has also formally recognized the independence of the Republic of Kosovo, as its most recent act, to say the last - so yeah, Japan does indeed have pretty much history in here (quite strangely too, for an Asian country, and even one so far away as the Far East).


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Erkut, what kind of a question is that?

Obviously we haven't talked before. Tongue
Just a simple question :)
Yeap i think we haven't talked before...Embarrassed
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Well that shows me up.

I had no idea Japan had such cordial relations with Serbia
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Kosovo is about to be accepted into the IMF.
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